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Again, my own faults demand that I make use of the Sacrament of Reconciliation and Holy Eucharist.

And in retort:

Allow me to offer an explanation of an American trinitarian model not born of man's efforts, but always was. Does the American model of 3 separate but equal branches of government spring from a creation of man, or has there always been the Perfect Power of a Holy Trinity of 3 separate but equal Persons of God? This is not a Jewish/Catholic/Christian idea (and certainly not Islam/Eastern). This IS the definition of IS to which no creature may claim. That American History and the efforts of Americans to preserve "a more perfect union" means that our sincerest form of flattery has meant the plagarism of the Real Perfect Union of Power. Yet our human efforts to make this mortal institution timeless is beastial at beast unless we can immitate the Life of Christ and be obediant to His command of living the Sacramental Life as He has shown us by His own actions and not just on the Cross (for example, the Holy Eucharist confirmed on the road to Emmaus).

But connecting Stalinism to the Protestant Revolt deserves and explanation.

Why does liberalism "need" a Stalinst master? Rationalizing efforts to satiate human desire leads to idolizing hedonism. The early Bolshevics were both alcoholics and extremely promiscuous. Such absolute debauchary seeks an "iron will" to force the uninvolved innocent to cater to the enslaved human will that offends God and glorifies evil. Don't forget that Lenin was the first to legalize abortion in the Soviet Union.

http://www.forerunner.com/predvestnik/X0057_Rebuilding_Russia_-_.html

"For instance, Vladimir Illych Lenin was the first leader in Russia's history to legalize abortion in 1921. This was part of Lenin's "free-sex, free-love" (read: anti-family, pro-sexual immorality) philosophy."

http://www.strike-the-root.com/51/weebies/weebies9.html

"Legalized abortion has it roots in Marxism, socialism, and egalitarianism. Lenin and his communist Bolsheviks were the first ones to widely and openly legalize and advocate abortion as a woman’s right. Communism viewed abortion as a vital part of implementing Marx’s and Engel’s Communist Manifesto and their desire for the “Abolition of the family!” and liberation of women who were oppressed by capitalism, marriage, and the family. Modern day Marxists are proud of their pro-abortion heritage and are still leading proponents of abortion as seen by the short article Marxism and Abortion."

Catholics to ignore the obvious Protestant/Liberalism (Communist/Fascist Socialism)? But "sensible Roman Catholics" have already ruled on the Protestant connection of heresy to abomination. Here's the Vatican's letter in the book's Preface...

http://www.liberalismisasin.com/

Most Excellent Sir:

The Sacred Congregation of the Index has received the denunciation of the little work bearing the title "El Liberalismo es Pecado" by Don Felix Sarda y Salvany, a priest of your diocese; the denunciation (pg. iii) was accompanied at the same time by another little work entitled "El Proceso del Integrismo," that is "a refutation of the errors contained in the little work El Liberalismo es Pecado." The author of the second work is D. de Pazos, a canon of the diocese of Vich.

Wherefore the Sacred Congregation has carefully examined both works, and decided as follows: In the first not only is nothing found contrary to sound doctrine, but its author, D. Felix Sarda merits great praise for his exposition and defense of the sound doctrine therein set forth with solidity, order and lucidity, and without personal offense to anyone.

The same judgement, however, cannot be passed on the other work by D. de Pazos, for in matter it needs corrections. Moreover his injurious manner of speaking cannot be approved, for he inveighs rather against the person of D. Sarda, than against the latter's supposed errors.

Therefore the Sacred Congregation has commanded D. de Pazos, admonished by his own Bishop, to withdraw his book, as far as he can, from circulation, and in future, if any discussion of the subject should arise, to abstain from all expressions personally injurious, according to the precept of true Christian charity; and this all the more (iv) since Our Holy Father Leo XIII., while he urgently recommends castigation of error, neither desires nor approves expressions personally injurious, especially when directed against those who are eminent for their doctrine and their piety.

From "Liberalism is a Sin"

"A Protestant may freely range from one end of the scale to the other and still be considered orthodox according to Protestant estimates. A lose, indefinite belief in Christ, either as God redeeming the world (12) or even as a great ethical teacher, not God Himself though sent by God, suffices to place the Protestant within the compass of his own standard of orthodoxy. Any specific expression of dogma or of particular truths, bound up in the acceptance of by any one sect or denomination, can find no authoritative exaction, for the differences between the sects, in the last resort, become mere differences of private opinion, dependent upon nothing but the caprice or choice of the individual."

Thus, an appeal to "sensible" Catholics in this sense is like a liberal Democrat appealing to "moderate" Republicans. The connection is as obvious as Saddam paying suicide/homicide bombers to kill Israelis. We have the checks and bank statements to prove the fact. We know that he was always interested in waging war by any means...including WMD. The evidence is real and the conclussions obvious.

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Who influenced Lenin & and Stalin in spite of their Eastern Orthodox ancestry? Who influenced Marx (who in turn influenced Lenin)?

http://www.tameri.com/csw/exist/hegel.shtml

"Georg Ludwig Hegel instilled an anti-Catholic bias in his children; he was a Protestant."

http://jcrao.freeshell.org/Italy-1900

"But, here, someone might object that Rousseauian influences in Italy were far overshadowed by those coming from Georg Wilhelm Friedrich Hegel (1770-1831). Indeed, no one can deny that Hegel had an enormous and much more demonstrable vogue in official circles of both the Risorgimento and the new Kingdom of Italy. Hegel’s books were smuggled into prisons in pre-unification days for the inspiration and encouragement of righteous suffering nationalists, who needed to be shown that history would vindicate them. His ideas were promoted through the work of Francesco de Sanctis (1817-1883), Minister of Education in the 1870’s, and the academic and literary circles in Naples surrounding Bertrando Spaventa (1817-1883) and his brother, Silvio (1822-1893). Their influence was central to the development of the greatest of Italy’s early twentieth century intellectuals, Benedetto Croce and Giovanni Gentile (1875-1944). Michael Bakunin, the seminal anarchist teacher, sang paeans to his Hegelian heritage, while no self-conscious Marxist, like Labriola, a student of the Spaventas, could do anything but confirm the German’s significance as well.25 "

Here's connecting the dots from Hegel to Marx...

http://www.historyguide.org/intellect/marx.html

"Marx became a member of the Young Hegelian movement. This group, which included the theologians Bruno Bauer and David Friedrich Strauss, produced a radical critique of Christianity and, by implication, the liberal opposition to the Prussian autocracy. Finding a university career closed by the Prussian government, Marx moved into journalism and, in October 1842, became editor, in Cologne, of the influential Rheinische Zeitung, a liberal newspaper backed by industrialists. Marx's articles, particularly those on economic questions, forced the Prussian government to close the paper. Marx then emigrated to France."

to Lenin...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lenin

The phrase "We will follow a different path" meant that Lenin chose the right way to succeed in the revolution, which was based on a Marxist approach. Indeed, at that time Lenin became interested in Marxism, got involved in student protests and later that year was arrested.

Who were Hegel's heroes? Baruch Spinoza

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baruch_Spinoza

In the summer of 1656, he was excommunicated because of apostasy from the Jewish community for his claims that God is the mechanism of nature and the universe, having no personality, and that the Bible is a metaphorical and allegorical work used to teach the nature of God, both of which were based on a form of Cartesianism (see René Descartes). Following his excommunication, he adopted the first name Benedictus (the Latin equivalent of his given name, Baruch). The terms of his excommunication were quite severe; see Kasher and Biderman (19nn).

Immanuel Kant

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immanuel_Kant

"With regard to morality, Kant argued that the source of the good lies not in anything outside the human subject, either in nature or given by God, but rather only in a good will."

(I don't think that this thought is Christ-oriented since ALL Good can only come from God--even "good will" has its source from God. Simply put, "The road to hell is paved with good intentions." Thus, "good will" is not enough to win Salvation. Good will demands obedience (or surrender/sacrafice of pride))

http://www.antiochian.org/wordjan2005/15.html

The assertions of leading thinkers like Nietzsche, Marx, Kant, as well as those of numerous scientists, together with impressions formed by students exposed to them, can lead students into a real quagmire of doubt, or even further into any number of hellish states of mind.

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Jean-Jacques Rousseau

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jean-Jacques_Rousseau

"Jean-Jacques Rousseau (June 28, 1712 – July 2, 1778) was a Franco-Swiss philosopher of Enlightenment whose political ideas influenced the French Revolution, the development of socialist theory, and the growth of nationalism."

Rousseau is clever, but incomplete:

http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/04335a.htm

"Rousseau maintains that society arises through the total alienation of the personality and rights of each associate; hence, for the absolute individualism of nature he substitutes an absolute socialism in the civil state. It is the general will which is the ultimate source and supreme criterion of justice, morality, property, and religion. Then we have, in spite of all the explanations advanced by Rousseau, the suppression of personality, the reign of force and caprice, the tyranny of the multitude, the despotism of the crowd, the destruction of true freedom, morality, and society. The French Revolution was the realization of these principles. Society has not its foundation in the free alienation of personality and rights, but in the natural union of all personalities, or, rather, families, with a view to reach their perfection. Society is not the source of duties and rights of families or individuals, but the protector and helper of families and individuals in the fulfilment of their duties and rights; its existence is commanded, its authority is limited, by this very end. Society is not formed from elements all individually equal, but is organized from graduated elements. These degrees of authority, however, in the social organization are not by nature the exclusive possession of anybody, but accessible to the capacities and the efforts of all. Society is made up of authority and subjects; and this authority, while it may be determined in its subject and manner of exercise by the people, has not its foundation in their will, but in human nature itself as God created it."

The morbid fatalism of von Goethe

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Johann_Wolfgang_von_Goethe

"The short epistolary novel, Die Leiden des jungen Werthers, or The Sorrows of Young Werther, published in 1774 recounts an unhappy love affair that ends in suicide."

"The fact that it ended with the protagonist's suicide and funeral--a funeral which "no clergyman attended"--made the book deeply controversial upon its (anonymous) publication, for it seemed to condone suicide. One would have expected a clergyman to attend the funeral service and condemn an act considered to be sinful by Christian doctrine."

(unless it's “Christian” Scientist pulling the trigger on himself or his starving disabled spouse…again, a phenomenon not possible without the history of social suffering from the devastating effects of the Protestant Revolt)

Dangers of Protestant Liberalism
(funny how conservative Christians, like old-school Baptists, can point to the errors of Protestant Liberalism with ease. It's only a matter of time before the Sacrament of Baptism takes full effect on the heart's desire for the rest of the Sacraments…especially the Holy Eucharist)

http://www.jesuswalk.com/lamb/classic_liberalism.htm

AnalogReigns, I sometimes wish I were a mere "load of biggoted crock". But, when a simpleton only plagiarizes from well referenced sources or from the rebellious' own words, then I'm just the little kid who simply states that the emperor’s has no clothes.

http://www.ongoing-tales.com/SERIALS/oldtime/FAIRYTALES/newclothes.html

But enough of me insulting myself.

Mussolini and Hitler were baptized Catholics? Well so were/are Henry VIII, Martin Luther, John Kennedy, and John Kerry. Does that make them practicing Catholics worthy to receive the Holy Eucharist? And if excommunication was needed in 20th Century as a means to stop European Fascism, how many Christian preachers kick out of their flocks those wayward American politicians and judges in attempts to stop legalized abortion on demand?

The promiscuous Henry VIII was excommunicated and it led to an outrageous civil war as well as a global British Imperial anti-Catholic effort to destroy Papal Authority. In recent contrast, American Catholics were well advised on the Teachings of receiving Holy Communion and it led to a very embarrassing and extremely costly defeat for John Kerry and company. But there's a difference in dealing with an absolute monarch and a democratically elected president. For the later, "the gentlest gamester is the soonest winner" while the former population of subjects needed to know who their True King is. How else would the Scottish and Irish Catholics have spread the Gospels except to be harried out of their native lands?