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To: OLD REGGIE
So James the brother of the Lord is an Apostle.

Did Paul come along before or after the crucifiction? Was Paul an Apostle?

How is this relevant to my post about the various James and who their parents are? Can you respond to it, or do you need to join the deflectors league?

There are two Jameses identified in Scripture as "brothers" of Jesus and neither one of them have Joseph for a father.

How this can go un-responded-to is a mystery.

What other James is found in Scripture that is the blood half-brother, out of Mary's womb and Joseph's seed, of Jesus?

SD

2,010 posted on 02/27/2006 12:34:22 PM PST by SoothingDave
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To: SoothingDave
You know, if the argument is used that Mary had other children with Joseph, would not the natural assumption be that Jesus was a biological child of Joseph or that his brothers and sister would also be divine? Would not there be a record of it somewhere other than the Bible? Not even the apocrypha. Nobody has explained the 500 brethren either.

And why is this so widely ignored.....especially the call me blessed part.
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Luke 1:36-56 (King James Version)
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36And, behold, thy cousin Elisabeth, she hath also conceived a son in her old age: and this is the sixth month with her, who was called barren.

37For with God nothing shall be impossible.

38And Mary said, Behold the handmaid of the Lord; be it unto me according to thy word. And the angel departed from her.

39And Mary arose in those days, and went into the hill country with haste, into a city of Juda;

40And entered into the house of Zacharias, and saluted Elisabeth.

41And it came to pass, that, when Elisabeth heard the salutation of Mary, the babe leaped in her womb; and Elisabeth was filled with the Holy Ghost:

42And she spake out with a loud voice, and said, Blessed art thou among women, and blessed is the fruit of thy womb.

43And whence is this to me, that the mother of my Lord should come to me?

44For, lo, as soon as the voice of thy salutation sounded in mine ears, the babe leaped in my womb for joy.

45And blessed is she that believed: for there shall be a performance of those things which were told her from the Lord.

46And Mary said, My soul doth magnify the Lord,

47And my spirit hath rejoiced in God my Saviour.

48For he hath regarded the low estate of his handmaiden: for, behold, from henceforth all generations shall call me blessed.

49For he that is mighty hath done to me great things; and holy is his name.

50And his mercy is on them that fear him from generation to generation.

51He hath shewed strength with his arm; he hath scattered the proud in the imagination of their hearts.

52He hath put down the mighty from their seats, and exalted them of low degree.

53He hath filled the hungry with good things; and the rich he hath sent empty away.

54He hath helped his servant Israel, in remembrance of his mercy;

55As he spake to our fathers, to Abraham, and to his seed for ever.

56And Mary abode with her about three months, and returned to her own house.
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2,011 posted on 02/27/2006 12:52:58 PM PST by Jaded (The truth shall set you free, but lying to yourself turns you French.)
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To: SoothingDave
What other James is found in Scripture that is the blood half-brother, out of Mary's womb and Joseph's seed, of Jesus?

Are you playing games, looking for the exact words? This is silly coming from one who boldly states the Immaculate Conception, Perpetual Virginity, and Bodily Assumption, of Mary can be read from the Bible.

". . . For also JAMES, THE BROTHER, ACCORDING TO THE FLESH, OF CHRIST OUR GOD, to whom the throne of the church of Jerusalem first was entrusted, and Basil, the Archbishop of the Church of Caesarea, whose glory has spread through all the world, when they delivered to us directions for the mystical sacrifice in writing, declared that the holy chalice is consecrated in the Divine Liturgy with water and wine. And the holy Fathers who assembled at Carthage provided in these express terms: "That in the holy Mysteries nothing besides the body and blood of the Lord be offered, as the Lord himself laid down, that is bread and wine mixed with water." Therefore if any bishop or presbyter shall not perform the holy action according to what has been handed down by the Apostles, and shall not offer the sacrifice with wine mixed with water, let him be deposed, as imperfectly shewing forth the mystery and innovating on the things which have been handed down"

(Philip Schaff, Ed., The Nicene and Post-Nicene Fathers, 2nd Series, Vol. 14; The Seven Ecumenical Councils of the Undivided Church, The Canons of the Council in Trullo; Often Called The Quinisext Council, A.D. 692, Canon 32, p.716) (Emphasis not in original)
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This Church Council certainly read it from Scripture - Here!

2,016 posted on 02/27/2006 1:23:27 PM PST by OLD REGGIE (I am most likely a Biblical Unitarian? Let me be perfectly clear. I know nothing.)
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