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To: wmfights
"Some people are in a state of grace today who may die out of grace."

How does your church determine this?

God judges us at death. Don't you know this?

Are there specific works that must be done on an ongoing basis to keep your grace? If you need to do certain things to keep your grace aren't you saying that the indwelling HOLY SPIRIT comes and goes based on what you do.

Please see my exposition on 1 John directly above. Abide in His commandments and love one another.

I know in your prior post you said,"avoid sin, do good things, partake of the sacraments." What I'm asking is what particular sacraments work to keep the HOLY SPIRIT in you and thus keep you in a state of grace?

There are 7 sacraments. Three can only be conferred one time: baptism, confirmation and holy orders.

One is Marriage, which is for life, though it can be re-enterd if a spouse dies.

One is for the sick and dying.

This leaves two sacraments which can be enjoyed frequently. When your repent from your own sinful choices and return to walking the path of righteousness, Confession gives you absolution of your sins. As Jesus gave the Apostles the power to forgive men's sins in His name, our priest's carry that same mission on today.

And Communion is spiritual food that strengthens us and empowers us to continue obeying His commandments and loving one another.

SD

1,349 posted on 02/22/2006 11:23:08 AM PST by SoothingDave
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To: SoothingDave
"There are 7 sacraments. Three can only be conferred one time: baptism, confirmation and holy orders."

I am only familiar with two sacraments from SCRIPTURE, baptism and communion. What are holy orders?
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"God judges us at death. Don't you know this?"

I believe that the elect bypass GOD'S judgment and we are judged by our SAVIOR JESUS the CHRIST.
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"This leaves two sacraments which can be enjoyed frequently. When your repent from your own sinful choices and return to walking the path of righteousness, Confession gives you absolution of your sins."

Obviously we disagree about the ability of your priests to forgive sins. If a RC dies having committed sin, without confessing to a priest, does that mean the HOLY SPIRIT leaves them and they are not saved?
1,350 posted on 02/22/2006 11:41:07 AM PST by wmfights (Lead, Follow, or Get out of the Way!)
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To: SoothingDave; wmfights
"Some people are in a state of grace today who may die out of grace."

Jesus failed?

God aborted you from the New Birth?

1,376 posted on 02/22/2006 3:02:34 PM PST by Full Court (Keepers at home, do you think it's optional?)
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