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Where Have All the Protestants Gone?
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| January 2006
| Thomas Storck
Posted on 02/15/2006 6:22:47 AM PST by NYer
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To: Diego1618
How about the saints under the alter?
461
posted on
02/15/2006 9:23:06 PM PST
by
tenn2005
(Birth is merly an event; it is the path walked that becomes one's life.)
To: STD; NYer
Again, you're over-simplifying the Schism. It started a century earlier with a split over the Patriarch of Constantinople -- can't remember his name -- who deposed his predecessor and imprisoned him. The Roman Patriarch opposed this and thanks to him the rightful Patriarch was restored. The one who lost out was pretty bitter and stirred up anti-Roman thought (this was in line with political thinking as then Rome was part of the Western, holy Roman Empire which was claimed as part of the overall Roman Empire by the Emperors in Constantinople). Later, this usurper was rightfully voted and became the successor to the PAtriarch of Constantinople and he became friendly to the Roman church. however, the unfriendliness he stirred up never died down.
The two groups also had a lot of political wrangling as the original 7 churchs were now reduced to effectively only two -- the others had been consumed by the fury ofIslam. Two at loggerheads, so any small issue would flare up to be a schism.
462
posted on
02/15/2006 9:28:38 PM PST
by
Cronos
(Never forget 9/11. Restore Hagia Sophia! Ultra-Catholic)
To: tenn2005
It is the spirit, not the body that goes to heaven or hell at death Please quote for me a scripture anywhere that tells of someone going to "Hell" and I will then explain it to you, using the Greek language.
To: Cronos
If there's one true church someone left it and someone didn't. :)
I think the prevailing opinions on who is in it and who isn't held by both sides are fairly well known. :)
464
posted on
02/15/2006 9:29:22 PM PST
by
x5452
To: STD
Again, don't over-simplify things. Even the infamous 4th Crusade (cited by many Orthodox as a reason for a split from the West) was the master plan of the Doge of Venice, who had a grouse against Constantinople BECAUSE HE HAD HAD HIS EYES GORED OUT IN CONSTANTINOPLE. Personal enemities and politics pushed both sides, so don't make it a simple little case, because it wasn't.
As a Catholic, I can see where Luther railed against corruption in the Church as being GOOD for the Medieval Church (it cleaned up good), but Calvin's dogma I don't agree with.
465
posted on
02/15/2006 9:31:17 PM PST
by
Cronos
(Never forget 9/11. Restore Hagia Sophia! Ultra-Catholic)
To: Zack Nguyen
I think we would call each other Christians, but to differentiate, we would say that you were a Protestant CHRISTIAN and I was a Catholic CHRISTIAN.
466
posted on
02/15/2006 9:32:17 PM PST
by
Cronos
(Never forget 9/11. Restore Hagia Sophia! Ultra-Catholic)
To: Diego1618
467
posted on
02/15/2006 9:32:34 PM PST
by
tenn2005
(Birth is merly an event; it is the path walked that becomes one's life.)
To: Diego1618
I am still waiting. Also, please explain it to me in English as I am just a dumb country boy with a Bible.
468
posted on
02/15/2006 9:38:21 PM PST
by
tenn2005
(Birth is merly an event; it is the path walked that becomes one's life.)
To: x5452
If there's one true church someone left it and someone didn't. :)
As agreed by BOTH sides -- no one "left" -- the two halves of the church disagreed and went their own way. Do note that the two halves hold each other to be part of the ONE TRUE Apostolic Church -- no matter what rabble-rousers who want to keep the halves apart may say.
469
posted on
02/15/2006 9:43:13 PM PST
by
Cronos
(Never forget 9/11. Restore Hagia Sophia! Ultra-Catholic)
To: Cronos
The fact of the matter is that neither side represents the church established by my Lord.
470
posted on
02/15/2006 9:46:11 PM PST
by
tenn2005
(Birth is merly an event; it is the path walked that becomes one's life.)
To: tenn2005; kerryusama04
How about the saints under the alter?Symbolic....like the horses mentioned earlier in the chapter....Rev. 6:1-8. Remember, John is having a vision of future events, chapter 1:10.
Matthew 24:9-28 describes the great tribulation "yet to come". This is basically the 5th seal spoken of in verse 9 of Revelation 6.....a future event.
This is akin to Abel's blood crying out Genesis 4:10. It is symbolic also....as blood does not cry.
To: Diego1618
Here I thought I was going to get the benefit of the wisdom of a great Biblical scholar and all I get is silence. I guess your silence speaks louder than words.
472
posted on
02/15/2006 9:48:54 PM PST
by
tenn2005
(Birth is merly an event; it is the path walked that becomes one's life.)
To: Diego1618
473
posted on
02/15/2006 9:50:01 PM PST
by
tenn2005
(Birth is merly an event; it is the path walked that becomes one's life.)
To: Diego1618
Matthew 24 is talking about the destruction of Jerusalem. What else do you have to opine about?
474
posted on
02/15/2006 9:51:43 PM PST
by
tenn2005
(Birth is merly an event; it is the path walked that becomes one's life.)
To: tenn2005; kerryusama04
Try Luke 16:19-31. Lazarus and the rich man
I'm sorry, but you will have to settle for this as I'm going to retire.....sleeeeeepy.
To: tenn2005; kerryusama04
Matthew 24 is talking about the destruction of Jerusalem. What else do you have to opine about?Can't let this one go.....
Verse 14 of Matthew 24 says the gospel will be preached in the whole world as a testimony to all nations....and then the end will come. Yeah, that sure did happen when Jerusalem was destroyed....I had forgotten. (Snicker)
To: Diego1618
And I thought you were a Biblical scholar. Why am I not surprised that you would defer to another man only espousing his own opinion.
477
posted on
02/15/2006 10:02:19 PM PST
by
tenn2005
(Birth is merly an event; it is the path walked that becomes one's life.)
To: NYer
"All this, of course, is true. Except that for some time, they no longer call themselves Protestants, but simply Christians, and increasingly they've gotten Catholics to go along with their terminology."
Whatever the denomination, we are all Christians.
Of course there is nothing the enemy would love more than to see us address ourselves as Protestants, Catholics, Orthodox, Mormons, etc. They (the anti-Christian) despise our calling ourselves Christians as this enhances our unity and strenght. They (the anti-Christian) would rather see us divided and, hence, conquerable.
United we stand. Divided we fall.
~In hoc signo vinces~
To: Diego1618
Read what Paul said in Col:1:23. Is he lying or are you mistaken. Either way, your argument is with Paul. You need to study the whole Bible.
479
posted on
02/15/2006 10:06:38 PM PST
by
tenn2005
(Birth is merly an event; it is the path walked that becomes one's life.)
To: Diego1618
Looks like you snickered too sone my friend.
480
posted on
02/15/2006 10:08:35 PM PST
by
tenn2005
(Birth is merly an event; it is the path walked that becomes one's life.)
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