Where Have All the Protestants Gone?

NOR ^ | January 2006 | Thomas Storck

[annalex]

The point is, the Ark is called the "Ark of the Covenant" but its function was to carry the Word as the Hebrews knew it, and hence the analogy with Our Lady.

[restornu]

THEN JESUS SHOULD HAVE LEFT CARE OF HIS MOTHER TO HIS BROTHERS. What about that do you not understand? You want to slice and dice scriptures to fit YOPIOS. What doesn't fit nicely you completely ingnore.

Mary is the Ark of the New Covenant.


Don't blame it on Jesus blame it on the Scribes and Handlers who put all this togather!

[Full Court]

And Noah's Ark was called the Ark.

But Mary is not the Ark, because Jesus is not the new covenant, he is the MEDIATOR of the new covenant.

[annalex]

Don't be tiresome, dear.

[Full Court]

Luke 1:36  And, behold, thy cousin Elisabeth, she hath also conceived a son in her old age: and this is the sixth month with her, who was called barren.


suggenes {soong-ghen-ace'}


Part of Speech:
adjective
Usage in the Bible:
kinsman 7, cousin 2, kinsfolk 2, kin 1

[annalex]

Yup, that's the word.

I transliterate Ypsilon as either "u" or "y" depending on what it developed into in romanesque languages. In Omega-Ypsilon I would transliterate "ou" because it suggests the "oo" sound which it is in modern Greek. Following Sigma I would tranliterate "y" because of words like "synchronize".

[Jaded]

It is not your place to say that Jesus should of done ANYTHING, especially when Scripture is silent on it.

Oh puhleeze.

[wmfights]

"But Mary is not the Ark, because Jesus is not the new covenant, he is the MEDIATOR of the new covenant."
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Thanks for not backing off. Your right.

I doubt you will get anywhere with the Roman Catholic's though. They have a huge investment in their veneration/worship of Mary even if it's not SCRIPTURAL.

[Jaded]

Jesus was not the new covenant. He was the mediator of the new covenant. That's what God says, so the issue is settled. if you chose to believe a myth over the clear teaching of Holy Scripture then I can't help you.

What part of "My blood of the covenant" says mediator?

New International Version

Matthew 26:26-28
26While they were eating, Jesus took bread, gave thanks and broke it, and gave it to his disciples, saying, "Take and eat; this is my body." 27Then he took the cup, gave thanks and offered it to them, saying, "Drink from it, all of you. 28This is my blood of the covenant, which is poured out for many for the forgiveness of sins.

Mark 14:22-24

22While they were eating, Jesus took bread, gave thanks and broke it, and gave it to his disciples, saying, "Take it; this is my body." 23Then he took the cup, gave thanks and offered it to them, and they all drank from it. 24"This is my blood of the covenant, which is poured out for many," he said to them.

Luke 22:19-20

19And he took bread, gave thanks and broke it, and gave it to them, saying, "This is my body given for you; do this in remembrance of me." 20In the same way, after the supper he took the cup, saying, "This cup is the new covenant in my blood, which is poured out for you.

[Full Court]

Sweetie, every one knows the NIV is a perverted bible. It's not real.

[Jaded]

Look little boy, no need to be so condescending. You couldn't be bothered to read the post with several different bible references. Spare me the KJV is the end all garbage. It wasn't the first and is several translations/copies removed.

[Full Court]

I'm not a little boy, I am a grown woman who has studied many of these issues for many years.

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By Rex L. Cobb

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[ventana]

The James which this passage speaks of ... was not one of the original twelve ... for he saw the resurrected Christ after the twelve did. Also ... that there were other Apostles ... not of the twelve ... which saw the risen Christ around the same time this James did.

But doesn't this (following your rule) imply the Cephas was not of the twelve?

If Cephas could see him, and then James could see him ans then the Apostles...Could not that just mean that First Peter alone, Then all, Then James alone, then all again? And do you agree that the word referring to James the Lords Brother and the word referring to the 500 brethren of the Lord is the same Greek word adelphos? What do we make of that?

[Jaded]

One has to wonder based on the games you play and what you willfully ignore. Thanks for playing.

[Jaded]

Authorized by whom? King James and 47 learned men in 1611?

[PayNoAttentionManBehindCurtain]

You have been told this many times on this thread. Perhaps you will look at the argument. You don't even have to accept the argument, only that it is a possible meaning of the words. And if it is possible that this verse was written to mean "They had no sex before Jesus was born" (i.e. this was a miraculous conception), then it is possible that the tradiational Catholic (and Protestant) interpretation is valid.

Yeah its possible OJ didn't kill his wife and the other guy.....Lawyer talk Dave...is thats the best you can come up with?

When the simple is right in front of your nose you come up with tortuous ridiculous stuff like the above.

Dave you're not a stupid man, look at what you're having to swallow to believe this.

BigMack

[Quester]

The James which this passage speaks of ... was not one of the original twelve ... for he saw the resurrected Christ after the twelve did. Also ... that there were other Apostles ... not of the twelve ... which saw the risen Christ around the same time this James did.

But doesn't this (following your rule) imply the Cephas was not of the twelve?

If Cephas could see him, and then James could see him ans then the Apostles...Could not that just mean that First Peter alone, Then all, Then James alone, then all again? And do you agree that the word referring to James the Lords Brother and the word referring to the 500 brethren of the Lord is the same Greek word adelphos? What do we make of that?

First, I recall that Peter and John made a special trip to the tomb.

It is highly likely, and perhaps confirmed here, ... that Peter did see the resurrected Christ before the other disciples.

And Christ did appear to all of the disciples (including Peter) at some point.

But I think that it is stretching the credibility of the passage to suggest that the James of the passage was also one of the Apostles.

This would imply that Jesus made a special appearance to this particular disciple ... not impossible, of course, ... but the context doesn't really support that interpretation.

Think of all of the questions that arise from such an interpretation.

For nstance ... why is it never mentioned before ... that one of Jesus' disciples ... was kin to Him.

And, of course, ... there is the fact that the scriptures clearly state that ... Jesus' brethren did not believe on Him.

I think that would have made it kinda tough for one of them to be a disciple.

How this James was Jesus' brother is not my point.

Only that it is quite unlikely that James, the brother of Christ, ... was one of the twelve.

[Full Court]

Take the NIV test then tell me it's a correct Bible.

[Cronos]

interesting point, let me thing about that.

[Cronos]

The Catholic Church maintains that the Renaissance dating is due to the mending

Actually a scientific group came to that reasoning. The Catholic Church allowed BOTH the scientific groups (those who said medieval and those who said no) to come to their own conclusions. It's own stance is clear -- it holds the shroud as something worthy because of WHAT IT Signifies -- the Christ, not because of itself. Whether it is true or not, doesn't matter, as The Christ is always true.