Where Have All the Protestants Gone?

NOR ^ | January 2006 | Thomas Storck

[pegleg]

Your Pope is an imposter, your church is apostate and your beliefs and teachings are in direct contradiction of the Bible. You faith, or lack thereof, will not save you, me, or anyone else who follows it.

Do you have a source for these allegations or is this your opinion? I sincerely doubt you have any original interpretations of scripture. You, like all Protestants, merely parrot somebody else’s interpretation that you happen to agree with. Yet, you criticize Catholics because we follow the teachings of our Church. Which, by the way, is what the scripture tells us to do. Do you not realize this?

[redgolum]

Mexico hasn't been a Catholic, or even a Christian, country since the early part of the 20th century. The Mexican Revolution had as one of its goals, the ending of Christianity. The Catholic's in Mexico suffered a lot, and to a great extent have never really recovered.

[Nihil Obstat]

Good point. I was just reading about an article abut the Mexican anti-clerical laws. From the article:

The constitution of 1917 highlighted and institutionalized many of the nineteenth-century secular reforms. The new constitution included at least five articles that affected all religious groups, regardless of denomination. These articles, appeared to preclude any national role for the Catholic Church. Article 3 forbade churches from participating in primary and secondary education. Article 5 prohibited the establishment of religious orders. Article 24 mandated that all religious ceremonies occur within church buildings. Article 27 gave the state ownership of all church buildings.

Article 130 contained the most extensive restrictions on the Roman Catholic Church. The article stated that the Roman Catholic Church lacks legal status; ecclesiastical marriages have no legal standing; state legislatures can determine the maximum number of clergy operating within their boundaries; and operation of church buildings requires explicit government authorization. Among the most contentious provisions of Article 130 was Section 9: "Neither in public nor private assembly, nor in acts of worship or religious propaganda shall the ministers of the religions ever have the right to criticize the basic laws of the country, of the authorities in particular or of the government in general; they shall have neither an active nor passive vote, nor the right to associate for political purposes."

I can't imagine living like that. Many priests were shot and killed just for wearing the collar in public. The laws were not repealed until 1992.

[SoothingDave]

That is true, but I know more about the Bible than your Pope does.

Pride goeth before a fall. Be careful you don't become impelled on your own pickard.

SD

[Full Court]

First of all, I didn't join some group. I started reading the Bible.

Secondly, in able to converse with some knowledge on the subject, I have been studying Catholic teachings for at least 20 years now.


The Bible says that husband and wife do not keep themselves from each other, so therfore, Mary had sex with Joseph, since she was his wife.

The Bible also states that Jesus has brothers and sisters.

[Full Court]

"I found out that what Rome is teaching is very far away from a saving faith in Jesus Christ"

This is a false statement.

It is not incorrect or false.

The RCC teaches that if anyone claims that faith in Jesus Christ saves you then you are anethema, which I just spelled wrong, but you know what I mean.

[Jaded]

The Catholic Church recognizes baptisms made by other faiths that are made in the name of the Trinity. They don't as so many others, require a second or third or fourth baptism.

[Jaded]

If Jesus had given His mother to the care of someone who was not a brother or sister that would have been in violation of Jewish law.

[SoothingDave]

Secondly, in able to converse with some knowledge on the subject, I have been studying Catholic teachings for at least 20 years now.

The RCC teaches that if anyone claims that faith in Jesus Christ saves you then you are anethema,

Alone. "Faith alone" is what is anathema. Try studying harder. Read books without pictures.

The Bible itself refutes the notion of salvation by faith "alone."

SD

[Full Court]

BTW, the official teaching of the Church is quite clear on Scripture: it is the word of God, true every word

Then why does the RCC teach evolution if the Bible is true?

Why didn't the Pope correct the Bishops who say the Bible is not true?

[Full Court]

Tenn first stated that the largest denomination was the Baptists. So, do you consider them to be part of the broad gate purely due to numbers?

In fact, the modern Southern Baptist movement would be to my way of thinking part of the broad gate, yes.

[Full Court]

The Catholic Church recognizes baptisms made by other faiths

God only recognizes Baptisms of those who believe BEFORE baptism.

[SoothingDave]

God only recognizes Baptisms of those who believe BEFORE baptism.

Is baptism necessary for salvation?

SD

[Full Court]

"Faith alone" is what is anathema'

Really? Then why did Jesus die if you can do it yourself?

[Full Court]

We'll have to catch up later Dave, I have to go and baptize myself and the baby and ready myself for the day.
(Take a bath.)

[SoothingDave]

"Faith alone" is what is anathema'

Really? Then why did Jesus die if you can do it yourself?

Non sequitur. The choice is not between "faith alone" and "do it yourself."

Faith is an essential component, but not the only component necessary. Christ died to enable us to have grace and faith and to put these into practice.

The word "alone" really does mean something, and its presence or absence in a sentence can change the meaning.

SD

[Invincibly Ignorant]

just curious. do you have a job?

[Diego1618]

ok, bung in Josephus as well -- is his work part of Scripture? If you say no, then would you say that all his historical details are false, JUST BASED ON THAT?

Herodotus and Josephus were both impartial historians. The early church fathers were not. To say the fathers had an opinion...... would be an understatement.

[Diego1618]

Nope -- we have enough man made groups clustered under the Protestant umbrella that look back to a founder in the past 3 centuries -- a "pastor" that leads his flock astray by shouting and gesticulating like Benny Hinn.

You and I agree on this one. I'm not a Protestant....or a defender of Martin Luther.

[gscc]

The Bible clearly states that Joseph did have union with Mary. 

22All this took place to fulfill what the Lord had said through the prophet: 23"The virgin will be with child and will give birth to a son, and they will call him Immanuel"—which means, "God with us."

 24When Joseph woke up, he did what the angel of the Lord had commanded him and took Mary home as his wife. 25But he had no union with her until she gave birth to a son. And he gave him the name Jesus.