Where Have All the Protestants Gone?

NOR ^ | January 2006 | Thomas Storck

[Cronos]

That leaves 75% who recognize the error of your doctrine. The United States was founded on Christian principals, not Catholic theology, and as such has prospered greatly. Mexaco, on the other hand is 95% catholic and remain a third world country.

And the 75% consider each other wrong -- you earlier pointed out that anyone who follows a preacher etc. is wrong. So, you'd consider all Baptists, Methodists, Lutherans, Anglicans etc. wrong.

And, parochially, you bring up Mexico. Let's see -- what about the Catholic nation of Ireland that is now richer than the UK? Thats as silly an example as you bringing up Mexico's economic status to reflect on your personal theology.

[tenn2005]

Not the apostles, they were inspired. However, one writing a hundred and fifty years after the fact leaves considerable doubt concerning the accuracy of his knowledge. Ever play the game of gosip?

[Cronos]

I won't blame true Protestants for abortion and homosexuality. Just as John F Kerry is a Catholic in name alone, ditto for those who call themselves Protestants and kill kids

[Cronos]

I used Scriptures -- the little old Jesus' brothers and sisters bit to which you stated erroneously that they were Jesus' half-brothers and sisters. You aren't READING scripture, just rifling through and pulling up random quotes.

[Cronos]

AlaninSA: Share a source, not a vague reference to something like "early church writings." The Catholic Church is an ancient, large Church. Being ambiguous makes me think you're simply tossing out an accusation you are unable to back up.

Tenn2005: Do you mean to tell me that, as a Catholic you need me, a poor dumb and misinformed christian, to guide you to the source of the doctrine which you espouse? Surely you have concrete information to support your beliefs.

Really Tenn --> that's below you, first you make an accusation: the Catholic church began as a Christian heresey?  then when asked to prove it you say something really with no proof: The historical writings of the Catholic Church.  Then when asked to cite a source, you go on a tangent to cover your bluff.  You made an accusation, the onus is on YOU to prove it

Then you say : "Do you deny the theachings of the Catholic church that I gave you as examples?  Do hold them to be true? If that is the case then you need to be showing where in the Bible these teachings come from. I didn't make them up. Your church did. And you need to chill out and take a deep breath."

WHAT examples?  You just made baseless accusations and hemmed and hawed when asked for proof.  Chill out when someone makes a false accusation?  Wouldn't you like us to forget that FALSE accusation, that LIE?

Then, you say: "I did not state that it was part of your church's teaching, I said that it was a fact" --> really?  Then, why did you state that it was Church doctrine as above?

Then, you make a silly statement like "My, my, my. Are we a little upset when presented with the truch about our apostate church?"  -- it's hilarious, you jumble yourself, make false accusations, lies and then resort to childish taunts when your errors are pointed out.  Really silly.

[conservonator]

Again, if you read the document ( I have) you'll clearly see that the point is not to deny Scripture, but the hyper literal diversions that some people get so worked up about; like such extra salvific issues as a literal six days vs. a period of time before time labeled as six days for our understanding. The point of the creation element in Scripture is to show the reader that all is from God.

The Bishops are reminding people to keep their eyes on the prize, as it were. The Bible is the book of Salvation, too many people lose focus of this simple fact.

[Cronos]

RC traditions such as Thomas witnessing in India,

HA!!! you point out your errors once more -- that is a Marthomite tradition -- the Church founded by Mar / Saint Thomas in INdia. This is witnessed and acknowledged by the Syrian Church -- the Syro-Malabar, the Syro-Malankara, the Syrian Orthodox Church in India, the Chaldean Church, the Assyrian Church etc. -- all ancient sources dealing back 2000 years. The CAtholic Church humbly acknowledges the history of these eastern brethern. Do you deny them this? Do you state that the first countries to convert like Armenia or Ethiopia were wrong?

[Cronos]

Show me historically or scripturally your proof.

Scripture doesn't mention the USA or the internet. Do either of these things then exist according to you?

[Cronos]

Now you deviate at a tangent again -- Tenn first stated that the largest denomination was the Baptists. So, do you consider them to be part of the broad gate purely due to numbers?

[Cronos]

Catholic Church no longer swears by truth of the Bible By Ruth Gledhill, Religion Correspondent THE hierarchy of the Roman Catholic Church has published a teaching document instructing the faithful that some parts of the Bible are not actually true

I expected better from you -- quoting a media article as proof?

[Cronos]

If the Pope's doctrinal abilities are as you say, then explain the need for Vatican II?

PApal infallibility is the second last recourse. Primary importance is given to a Church council like VAtican II. An ecumenical council would take higher importance than that.

[Cronos]

I suppose that it is all relative.

Nope -- it isn't

Our pastor preached from Jeremiah for almost a year with each sermon lasting 45 minutes.

And he made his own inference in each sermon?  Well, let's assume he didn't -- do you realise that the Catholic readings include the entire Bible?  That over the Liturgical cycles the Bible is read

That you have two, three or four passages read from the Bible at every Catholic Mass in the entire world does not seem all that impressive when it comes to equipping the faithful.

Not really -- as I pointed out above -- you're too quick to jump to conclusions

[Cronos]

That you believe your church decided what was Scripture and what was not is just another example of the arrogance of a church that worships itself.

Nope -- we have enough man made groups clustered under the Protestant umbrella that look back to a founder in the past 3 centuries -- a "pastor" that leads his flock astray by shouting and gesticulating like Benny Hinn.

[tenn2005]

Let me understand you correctly. The Pope is infallable since he is a direct successor of the Apostle Peter. However, if a council like Vatican II disagrees with the Pope, then the Council takes president. Kind hard to reconcile for a "poor dumb country boy."

[Cronos]

The Church IS Christ's Bride. The Church follows Christ's teachings and yes, everything you believe in follows that route, unless you are a non-Trinitarian...

[Cronos]

As another Lutheran, I just want to point out that there are Lutherans involved in those "mainstream" churches; ie. the ELCA. My wife and I left that Synod last year for the LCMS because of their Liberal positions

There are far too many good, God-fearing Lutherans and Anglicans who belie the attempt to smear dirt on the denominations. Sadly, parts of your denominations have been hijacked by theGay agenda. I pray that God will help you take your Churchs back.

[Cronos]

I never was a Catholic. My proximity to the Catholic church came through my aunt and her children. Hence the reason I said I thought it was a beautiful religion until I grew up and started reading the Bible and comparing what Scripture says to what the RCC teaches.

Aha -- so you don't really know what the Church teaches, just what someone TOLD you the Church teaches.

[Cronos]

nope, no seances. And we don't get "in-touch" with the dead like having conversations with them and asking them about Aunty MAtilda's will.

[Cronos]

ok, I'll post articles from al-Jazeera and you'll take it as proof? Don't post silly articles and claim them as proof.

[Cronos]

Yawn, read the previous posts -- tenn stated that the Baptists were the largest denomination in the US. the above post proved him wrong. That's all it was about. If the Baptists are the second largest, do you consider them the false, easy path purely because of their numbers?