[wideawake]

In answer to your question, when the Mass went to the vernacular the translation was done by an international committee called ICEL who eschewed literalism and opted for "sensitive language."

The Mass in English, with the exception of the Anglican Use Rite employed by former Anglicans and rooted in the traditional Book of Common Prayer, is utter tripe from an aesthetic standpoint. ICEL chose the least felicitous phrase possible in every circumstance and even resorted to altering the plain meaning of the original Latin in hundreds of instances, resulting in embarrassing (yet I suspect intentional) mistranslation of important doctrinal passages throughout the missal.

[Carolina]

ICEL chose the least felicitous phrase possible in every circumstance and even resorted to altering the plain meaning of the original Latin in hundreds of instances, resulting in embarrassing (yet I suspect intentional) mistranslation of important doctrinal passages throughout the missal.

This makes me cringe (well, along with a lot of other liturgical innovations) every single time: "And also with you."

It's like the response to "I love you": "You, too."

[RobbyS]

The Mass in English, with the exception of the Anglican Use Rite employed by former Anglicans and rooted in the traditional Book of Common Prayer, is utter tripe from an aesthetic standpoint. ICEL chose the least felicitous phrase possible in every circumstance and even resorted to altering the plain meaning of the original Latin in hundreds of instances, resulting in embarrassing (yet I suspect intentional) mistranslation of important doctrinal passages throughout the missal.

Not only the ordinary of the mass but the lectionary. These idiots--I use the term in the classical sense of the word--sadd;led us with the worst of all Englisdh translations, Even the Reader's Digest Bible is more eloquent. Totaslly unmemorable language. Five minutes later, even if you try, the words cannot be recalled.

[Claud]

The Mass in English, with the exception of the Anglican Use Rite employed by former Anglicans and rooted in the traditional Book of Common Prayer, is utter tripe from an aesthetic standpoint. ICEL chose the least felicitous phrase possible in every circumstance and even resorted to altering the plain meaning of the original Latin in hundreds of instances, resulting in embarrassing (yet I suspect intentional) mistranslation of important doctrinal passages throughout the missal.

Very well said. It would have been soooo easy to just tweak any of the perfectly serviceable English translations of the Mass that were used in '65 Missal: with all the thee's and thou's that have always been traditional to both Catholic and Anglican liturgies.

Ugly, ugly mess ICEL made.