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To: bremenboy; All
"The doctrine of "church infallibility" was developed in the apostate church or the system now known as Catholicism...."

From Merriam-Webster Online

Apostasy:

1 : renunciation of a religious faith
2 : abandonment of a previous loyalty

Your statement that the Roman Catholic Church apostatized is without merit. Please produce evidence that the Roman Catholic Church apostatized, or kindly refrain from making this false claim in the future.

-iq
69 posted on 02/09/2006 3:36:19 PM PST by InterestedQuestioner (Believe in the Lord Jesus, and you will be saved.)
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To: InterestedQuestioner
Apostasy:

What is Apostasy?

1 Timothy 4:1 "...in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils",

2 Thessalonians 2:3 "Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first."

When will this Apostasy Occur?

2 Thessalonians 2:3 "...for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first..."

What "day" was Paul referring to?

2 Thessalonians 2:1 "...by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and our gathering together unto Him!"

2 Thessalonians 2:2 ...the day of Christ!"

How is this Final Apostasy Coming to Pass?

2 Thessalonians 2:11 "And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion"

Why will God send a Strong Delusion?

2 Thessalonians 2:10 "...because they receive not the love of the Truth, that they might be saved."

What will Play a Major Role in this Final Apostasy?

Deception!

2 Thessalonians 2:7 "For the mystery of iniquity doth already work...

1 John 2:8 "Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that anti-christ shall come, even now are there many antichrists; where by we know it is the last time."

All who Believe in Jesus are Children of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, and are Born of God! All in the world today, Jew or Gentile who believe that Jesus is the Son of God, and trust alone in His finished work at Calvary for salvation, become heirs of God by faith!

Our salvation was paid in full by Jesus' one final sacrifice for sins!

"For He hath made Him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in Him." 2 Corinthians 5:21

"For all have sinned, and come short of the Glory of God." Romans 3:23

"In whom we have redemption through His blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of His grace." Ephesians 1:7

Only the shedding of Jesus' blood atones for our sins.

"But this man, after He had offered one sacrifice forever...." Hebrews 10:12

"For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is a gift of God: not of works, lest any man should boast."

80 posted on 02/09/2006 7:51:23 PM PST by Clay+Iron_Times (The feet of the statue and the latter days of the church age)
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To: InterestedQuestioner
"Your statement that the Roman Catholic Church apostatized is without merit. Please produce evidence that the Roman Catholic Church apostatized, or kindly refrain from making this false claim in the future."

My statement that the Roman Catholic Church apostatized is with merit and is admitted to by official Catholic church teaching

John L. McKenzie, Catholic priest and theologian from the University of Notre Dame,
in his book "The Roman Catholic Church" wrote


Everything indicates that the office of bishop as it appeared later did not exist during the life of Peter (McKenzie, p. 30).


We find in the New Testament officers of local churches called episkopoi (Greek Lpiskopos, "overseer," from which the English word bishop is derived) and presbyterio (Greek presbyteros, "elder," from which the English word priest is derived). These officers are not mentioned frequently, and everything indicates that they were members of a college or board. The New Testament churches do not appear with the supreme local authority invested in a single person (McKenzie , p. 64).

Like the episcopacy, the priesthood as we know it does not appear in the New Testament; it is an early but apparently postapostolic development of the ministry (McKenzie p. 96).

http://www.bibliopolis.com/cgi-bin/biblio/rpbooks_371.html


If only one instance could be given in which the Church ceased to teach a doctrine of faith which had been previously held, that single instance would be the death blow of her claim to infallibility." (Cardinal Gibbons, The Faith of Our Fathers, p74)

"if it be not identical in belief, in government etc., with the primitive Church, then it is not the Church of Christ." (Catholic Facts, 27

1. "Ecclesiastical custom with regard to the administration of Baptism has undergone a change in the course of history. Whereas the early Church baptized adults only, the baptism of children soon became the usual practice." (Sanford, Alexander E., MD, Pastoral Medicine: Handbook for the Catholic Clergy, 1904, p 32-33)
97 posted on 02/10/2006 6:50:36 AM PST by bremenboy (if any man speak let him speak as the oracles of God)
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