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To: InterestedQuestioner
faith come by hearing the word of God
salvation comes by obeying God word

if you plant a seed of corn you get corn
if you plant a apple seed you get a Apple tree
if you plant the word of God into the heart of man you get a Christian and only a Christian
faith only is false doctrine faith without works is dead
112 posted on 02/10/2006 11:01:54 AM PST by bremenboy (if any man speak let him speak as the oracles of God)
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To: RnMomof7; bremenboy; jjm2111
"faith only is false doctrine faith without works is dead"

Bremenbody, I can see certainly identify with your concern over the doctrine of justification by faith alone, as it contradicts Scripture and is a doctrine that can easily be abused.

"faith come by hearing the word of God salvation comes by obeying God word."

I assume that we both believe that faith and salvation are gifts from God. Given those assumptions, I'd say that we are in complete agreement.
122 posted on 02/10/2006 1:13:24 PM PST by InterestedQuestioner (Believe in the Lord Jesus, and you will be saved.)
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To: bremenboy; RnMomof7; InterestedQuestioner

***faith only is false doctrine faith without works is dead****

HOT DOG! I've been waiting for this opening!

By Grace are you saved,through faith, and that not of yourselves, it is the GIFT OF GOD, NOT OF WORKS,lest any man should boast!
What shall we say then that Abraham, our father as pertaining to the flesh hath found?
For if Abrham were JUSTIFIED BY WORKS, he hath whereof to glory, but not before God.
For what saith the scripture? Abraham believed God and it was counted unto him for righteousness.
Now, to him that WORKETH is the reward not reconed of GRACE but of DEBT.
BUT TO HIM THAT WORKETH NOT, but BELIEVETH on him that justifieth the ungodly, HIS FAITH IS COUNTED FOR RIGHTEOUSNESS.

When was Abraham justified! When he offered up Issac or when he believed GOD?
Gen 22 is the offering of Issac. OR...
Gen 15 when Abraham believed GOD .."And he believed in the LORD and he counted it to him for Righteousnes."

Seven chapters difference! Let the Bible speak!
"How was it reconed? When he was in circumcision, or in UN-circumcision? Not in circumcision, but in uncircumcision."
When was Abraham circumcised? Chapter 17! Way before hwe offered up Issac!

So, what of James' statement? Put it in context. James, Cephas and John were apostles to the CIRCUMCISION. Paul was the apostle to the Uncircumcision.
James' letter was written "to the 12 tribes scattered abroad." He spoke of theings AFTER abraham was circumcised when works were still necessary.


138 posted on 02/10/2006 9:57:14 PM PST by Ruy Dias de Bivar (Islam, the religion of the criminally insane.)
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