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To: SuzyQue

In a way...yes. What a lot of folks in & out of ECUSA fail to recognize is the link between women's ordination & the subsequent promotion of the homosexual agenda. It's tit for tat, ladies & gentlemen. It was the feminist (read "lesbian") lobby of the late 70's & their still closeted friends (like V. Gene Robinson) who turned the tide in opening up ECUSA's priesthood to women. It was done for two purposes: 1) install theologically & doctrinally weak individuals into positions of power within the church who can be easily duped into accepting the incrementalism of the homosexual agenda, and, 2) to assure that these women will respond "in kind" by actually promoting the acceptance of homosexual priests & bishops. Once the heirarchy of the church is predominantly female & homosexual (which it is now), it becomes a rather simple matter to dispense with the church's historic doctrine & teaching on homosexual relations as sinful & same-sex marriage & the "homosexual lifestyle" as impossible & disordered. It simply requires a majority vote (which they have) at the next General Convention (which they consistantly have done).

It's very much like what happened during the Civil Right's Movement during the 60's. The Women's Movement (which had not yet been taken over by the lesbian contingent) were major supporters of the Civil Right's Movement. The presumption at that time was that when American Blacks "got theirs," they would remember the help they received from Women's Right's Activists & return the favor by supporting the women's agenda. Tit for tat. That didn't happen, of course, & I vividly remember the grousing in the ranks about it at the time. That's why, when lesbians & gays offered their support to the feminists fighting for ordination in the ECUSA, it was with the promise that "when we get ours" (unlike those in the Civil Right's Movement)WE'LL remember who are friends were & help them "get theirs."

How do I know this, you say? Because, I'm ashamed to admit, in addition to being a FORMER Episcopalian, I am also a FORMER card-carrying member of NOW.

As the saying goes...to soon old, too late smart. I have this vision of Dezi Arnez as St. Peter at The Gate, saying, "Torqe...you got some 'splainin' to do!"


35 posted on 02/09/2006 1:12:20 AM PST by torqemada ("Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisition!")
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To: torqemada; SuzyQue
Another perspective on the "package deal" concept from Torq.

I hadn't brought up the feminist/lesbian connection, but I also have observed that. Many of the female priests who came through our former parish were radical feminists and man-haters (hate is SUCH a good foundation for a holy life in the priesthood . . . NOT!), some were lesbians, and one had the gall to show up at church events with her "partner" and engage in "inappropriate behavior". They did fire that one (that was a number of years ago) but I bet they wouldn't fire her now . . .

I would also advance the theory that all of this flows from disobedience. Disobedience to Scripture, to Tradition, and to the canons of the church. All are being ignored in favor of "What's Happenin' Now".

36 posted on 02/09/2006 5:47:44 AM PST by AnAmericanMother (Ministrix of Ye Chase, TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary (recess appointment))
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