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To: pegleg
You’re correct. I should have asked you how many people were ever greeted with the salutation “Hail, full of Grace.”

I told you Catholics worship God and venerate Mary. You seem to think worship and veneration are one in the same when in fact they are not.


292 posted on 02/12/2006 8:17:08 AM PST by HarleyD ("Man's steps are ordained by the LORD, How then can man understand his way?" Prov 20:24)
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To: HarleyD
I should point out while Mary was greeted by an angel, there is at least one other person the Bible states directly as being "full of grace".

The Blessed Virgin Mary is the only person in the Bible that was greeted by an Angel with the salutation “Hail, full of Grace.” And also the only person of whom it was said “All generations shall call me blessed”.

There are others but not as overt. Do we have an immaculant conception for Stephen?

Since I don’t know what immaculant means I don’t know. However Catholics do celebrate the Feast of the Immaculate Conception of the Blessed Virgin Mary.

Care to explain the difference? I would appreciate the clarification since I see no difference.

Sure. The terms Catholics make for this distinction are called Latria, Hyperdulia and Dulia. I’ll use a secular source from Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia for the explanation

Latria is a Greek term used in Catholic theology to mean adoration, which is the highest form of worship or reverence and is directed only to God. It is sacrificial in character, and may be offered only to God. Roman Catholics offer other degrees of reverence to the Blessed Virgin Mary and to the Saints; these non-sacrificial types of reverence are called Hyperdulia and Dulia, respectively. This distinction, written about as early as Augustine of Hippo and St Jerome, was detailed more explicitly by Thomas Aquinas in his Summa Theologiae, A.D. 1270.

Reverence is due to God on account of His excellence, which is communicated to certain creatures not in equal measure, but according to a measure of proportion; and so the reverence which we pay to God, and which belongs to latria, differs from the reverence which we pay to certain excellent creatures; this belongs to dulia, and we shall speak of it further on (II II 103 3)"; in this next article St. Thomas writes: "Wherefore dulia, which pays due service to a human lord, is a distinct virtue from latria, which pays due service to the lordship of God. It is, moreover, a species of observance, because by observance we honor all those who excel in dignity, while dulia properly speaking is the reverence of servants for their master, dulia being the Greek for servitude." From St. Thomas it is apparent that a clear distinction exists among latria and forms of dulia within Catholic theology.

Protestants and others fault Catholic, Anglican, and Orthodox Christians for revering Mary or the saints, declaring their distinction among latria, hyperdulia, and dulia to be hair-splitting, and furthermore reject Augustine, Jerome, Aquinas and others as authorities.

I thought you liked Augustine?

293 posted on 02/12/2006 4:03:20 PM PST by pegleg
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