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To: D-fendr
The Jerusalem Council is not in conflict; it stated, and I fully agree, that circumcision (i.e., becoming fully Jewish) and obeying all the Torah are not prerequisites for salvation. It does not say that Jews should stop being Jews (which has been the heretical teaching of the RCC and EOC for the better part of 2000 years), nor does it say that Gentiles should simply ignore the Torah.

In fact, Ya'akov (James the Just) implies just the opposite when he concludes, "For Moses from ages past has those in every city proclaiming him, being read in the synagogues every sabbath day" (v. 21). Since at this time, believers in the Messiah were still attending synagogue on the Sabbath, he is stating that in the natural course of coming to synagogue to learn about Yeshua, the Gentiles would learn the Torah.

This is in agreement with Sha'ul's (Paul's) writings. While vehemently denying that circumcision and perfect observance of the Torah are necessary for salvation, and emphatically stating that salvation is by grace received by faith (trusting) in Yeshua, he also writes,

For not the hearers of the Torah are just before God, but the doers of the Torah shall be justified. (Rom. 2:13)

Therefore, if an uncircumcised man keeps the righteous requirements of the Torah, will not his uncircumcision be counted as circumcision? And will not the physically uncircumcised, if he fulfills the Torah, judge you who, even with your written code and circumcision, are a transgressor of the Torah? (Rom. 2:26-27)

Do we then make void the Torah through faith? Certainly not! On the contrary, we establish (i.e., uphold) the Torah. (Rom. 3:1)

Therefore the Torah is holy, and the commandment holy and just and good. (Rom. 7:12)

For we know that the Torah is spiritual, but I am carnal, sold under sin. (Ro 7:14)

For I delight in the Torah of God according to the inward man. (Rom. 7:22)

For Christ is the end (telos, goal) of the Torah for righteousness to everyone who believes. (Rom. 10:4)

Circumcision is nothing and uncircumcision is nothing, but keeping the commandments of God is what matters. (1 Co. 7:19)

Therefore the Torah was our tutor to bring us to Christ, that we might be justified by faith. (Gal. 3:24)

But we know that the Torah is good if one uses it lawfully . . . (1 Ti. 1:8)

All Scripture (including the Torah) is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness, that the man of God may be complete, thoroughly equipped for every good work. (2 Ti. 3:16-17)

This brings us to a very basic question: What is sin?

According to the Apostle Yochanan (John), "Everyone who practices sin also practices lawlessness, for sin is lawlessness" (1 Jn. 3:4)--or to put it another way, since nomos nearly always means "Torah" in the NT: "Everyone who practices sin also practices Torah-lessness, for sin is Torah-lessness."

And again from Sha'ul: "What shall we say then? Is the Torah sin? [Ed. note: Some Christians seem to think so.] Let it not be said! But I did not know sin except through the Torah. For also I did not know lust except the Torah said, You shall not lust" (Rom. 7:7). The Torah tells us what is sin, so that we may avoid it. It also tells us what is good, that we may be more like God. Every Biblical Christian would agree with that in regards to not stealing or avoiding idolatry.

I just happen to believe, based on the Scripture that that also extends to telling us which day is the Sabbath, whether one should bow to statues, and the proper day of Passover.

310 posted on 02/07/2006 4:02:15 PM PST by Buggman (L'chaim b'Yeshua HaMashiach!)
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To: Buggman
It does not say that Jews should stop being Jews

Except for that little part about the Messiah.

But anyway. So if you're born a jew you should practice as a jew and if you're not, you shouldn't? Or should you practice as much judaism - kosher, sabbath, et. al. whether you were born a jew or not?

311 posted on 02/07/2006 4:09:51 PM PST by D-fendr
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To: Buggman
(which has been the heretical teaching of the RCC and EOC for the better part of 2000 years)

And of the Protestant denominations for the better part of six hundred. In fact pretty much all of Christianity has been getting wrong as long as they've been around.

So, when did you guys come along and finally get it right again?

315 posted on 02/07/2006 4:29:19 PM PST by D-fendr
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