Posted on 02/06/2006 1:02:10 PM PST by NYer
So you're a kosher conservative jew, yes?
I read what you wrote; it didn't make sense. The only way the issue of whether post-Baptism mortal sin could be forgiven (and it clearly could in the Bible) would make a difference is if Constantine was planning to go out and commit a mortal sin after being Baptized. Was he?
Yes yes no. I was not born Jewish. I choose to try to be Torah-observant (I don't make claims about my success rate) because my Savior is.
This is one of the most absurd statements I've ever read on Free Republic. Did you post that with a straight face?
Kosher - Yes
Conservative - Yes
Jew - No
So, you freeze Christianity when exactly? Before the Jerusalem Council?
That's a big 10 Four.....one of your many.
Why in the world would they ever call it that? Peter, according to my Bible, was never in charge of much!
Guess they got it all wrong going way way back.
Shame they didn't have you and your Bible. Alas.
No Trinity if I'm reading you right.
Unitarian?
Jew?
Messianic Unitarian Kosher Conservative Non-Jew?
In fact, Ya'akov (James the Just) implies just the opposite when he concludes, "For Moses from ages past has those in every city proclaiming him, being read in the synagogues every sabbath day" (v. 21). Since at this time, believers in the Messiah were still attending synagogue on the Sabbath, he is stating that in the natural course of coming to synagogue to learn about Yeshua, the Gentiles would learn the Torah.
This is in agreement with Sha'ul's (Paul's) writings. While vehemently denying that circumcision and perfect observance of the Torah are necessary for salvation, and emphatically stating that salvation is by grace received by faith (trusting) in Yeshua, he also writes,
For not the hearers of the Torah are just before God, but the doers of the Torah shall be justified. (Rom. 2:13)This brings us to a very basic question: What is sin?Therefore, if an uncircumcised man keeps the righteous requirements of the Torah, will not his uncircumcision be counted as circumcision? And will not the physically uncircumcised, if he fulfills the Torah, judge you who, even with your written code and circumcision, are a transgressor of the Torah? (Rom. 2:26-27)
Do we then make void the Torah through faith? Certainly not! On the contrary, we establish (i.e., uphold) the Torah. (Rom. 3:1)
Therefore the Torah is holy, and the commandment holy and just and good. (Rom. 7:12)
For we know that the Torah is spiritual, but I am carnal, sold under sin. (Ro 7:14)
For I delight in the Torah of God according to the inward man. (Rom. 7:22)
For Christ is the end (telos, goal) of the Torah for righteousness to everyone who believes. (Rom. 10:4)
Circumcision is nothing and uncircumcision is nothing, but keeping the commandments of God is what matters. (1 Co. 7:19)
Therefore the Torah was our tutor to bring us to Christ, that we might be justified by faith. (Gal. 3:24)
But we know that the Torah is good if one uses it lawfully . . . (1 Ti. 1:8)
All Scripture (including the Torah) is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness, that the man of God may be complete, thoroughly equipped for every good work. (2 Ti. 3:16-17)
According to the Apostle Yochanan (John), "Everyone who practices sin also practices lawlessness, for sin is lawlessness" (1 Jn. 3:4)--or to put it another way, since nomos nearly always means "Torah" in the NT: "Everyone who practices sin also practices Torah-lessness, for sin is Torah-lessness."
And again from Sha'ul: "What shall we say then? Is the Torah sin? [Ed. note: Some Christians seem to think so.] Let it not be said! But I did not know sin except through the Torah. For also I did not know lust except the Torah said, You shall not lust" (Rom. 7:7). The Torah tells us what is sin, so that we may avoid it. It also tells us what is good, that we may be more like God. Every Biblical Christian would agree with that in regards to not stealing or avoiding idolatry.
I just happen to believe, based on the Scripture that that also extends to telling us which day is the Sabbath, whether one should bow to statues, and the proper day of Passover.
Except for that little part about the Messiah.
But anyway. So if you're born a jew you should practice as a jew and if you're not, you shouldn't? Or should you practice as much judaism - kosher, sabbath, et. al. whether you were born a jew or not?
All of you are AWARE that Wikipedia, is the free a encyclopedia that anyone can edit.
If there is any strife, it must be in the Protestant side of the fence.
There is but one Catholic Church, but in my town alone there are at least twelve to fifteen different Protestant churches. Four of them are called "The First Church of ..."
Can't Protestants agree on what they believe in and establish one constant Church?
Yep....pretty much from the beginning.
And a multitude of more examples........
And of the Protestant denominations for the better part of six hundred. In fact pretty much all of Christianity has been getting wrong as long as they've been around.
So, when did you guys come along and finally get it right again?
Care to share with us the name of your denomination that's got it right at last?
And, if the Trinity is an erroneous description, what is your view of God the Father, Jesus Christ and The Holy Spirit.
What are they, how are they related?
I'm unaware of any denomination that "has it right". Are you? But, if you would like to categorize me....you can call me a non-Catholic/non-Protestant.
So what is the Church of Diego's non-trinitarian view of the nature of Jesus Christ?
Oh, most certainly not!
Understand, at the time of Yeshua, the rabbis had added so many rules to define just what constituted "work" that they had literally turned not working into a heavy burden. It was so bad that when Yeshua miraculously healed people on the Sabbath, they accused Him of sinning!
I have no desire to return to that.
I strive to keep Sabbath after the simplicity taught by our Lord. I never do overtime on the Sabbath (thankfully, God has given me a job where I can control my hours), nor do I try to catch up on any of my chores around the house. Laundry can wait another day. :)
I go to synagogue, i.e. church. Since God has not granted that I live close by, that means about a 20-30 minute drive. That would definitely be frowned upon by the Orthodox, but in this case, I have to go by the Lord's take that "it is lawful to do good on the Sabbath."
Thus, when I preach in prison or teach the youth group on the Sabbath, even if it means being on the road for 30-90 minutes, I don't see myself violating God's command any more than a priest ministering in the Temple (Mat. 12:5) or a rabbi circumcising a child (John 7:22).
Other than that, I relax, I read, I visit with friends. I'll occassionally chat with friends on FR and elsewhere online, but I make it a general rule not to let debates carry over into the Sabbath; they too can wait another day.
Yeshua teaches us that, "The Sabbath came into being for man's sake, and not man for the sabbath's sake" (Mark 2:27). That is, the Sabbath, a day to set apart from the pace of the rest of the week, a day to sleep in, to relax, and to be with God and your family and friends, is a blessing, not a burdensome religious duty.
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