How Tradition Gave Us the Bible

Assoc of Students at Catholic Colleges ^ | Mark Shea

[PetroniusMaximus]

"But - I'm not feeling any strife."

Perhaps you are in denial.

[Paul C. Jesup]

How Tradition Gave Us the Bible

That is a lie. The creation of the bible and the federalization of chirstanity in the Roman Empire was done so to consolidate power by the Roman Emperor.

It was done for political reasons, not tradition judeo-chirstian reasons.

[whispering out loud]

but you have nothing aside from Catholic writings proving that the catholic church picks up it's yoke directly from first generation apostles. You call Peter the first Pope, but there is no scripture supporting that. If there were scriptures to support that claim, wouldn't they have been included in the canonization of the scriptures? But oh my goodness it's not there. Nor is there any claim to the worship of Mary, or the worship of the saints. Please explain to me where these practices come in, and don't claim it doesn't happen. I've got catholic friends who practice this, and they say they learned it in the church.

[whispering out loud]

The claim that Catholic writings were the church, is a fallacy. The reformed Jewish church was already in existence, as well as other devout Christian groups. No doubt study of the scriptures was made easier due to the canonization of the scriptures, but this does not give the Catholic church exclusive right to them, nor absolute authority.

[PetroniusMaximus]

"Nope - just a happy Catholic. Benedicamus Domino!"

You know, I was just thinking the other day that there are many religious people in the world. Billions who claim the name "Christian". But when it comes right down to it, what makes a person a true Christian in the eyes of God is this - do I truly, in my heart, love Jesus Christ.


"If anyone imagines that he knows something, he does not yet know as he ought to know. But if anyone loves God, he is known by God." - 1 Corinthians 8:3

[AlaninSA]

Yes...and no.

You're right on the fact that the Bible came from God...but the books of the Bible were determined by men. I don't know if the average fundie-nut will be able to understand that, but I'll help you if you need it.

[AlaninSA]

Nor is there any claim to the worship of Mary, or the worship of the saints.

You ignorant fool.

Put down the Chick tracts and open your mind to the fact that we (a)don't worship Mary and (b) do not worship saints. You may have Catholic friends, but if they're telling you that these things go on...they're far from Catholic.

Why the hatred?

What is your real deal? What, exactly, do you claim to follow? That is, where do you go to church? Bubba's Community Bible of BFE, Arkansas?

[F16Fighter]

"So should we bow down and give glory to the Catholic Church because we have the cannon of scripture or should we bow down and give glory to God?

I vote for giving ALL the glory to God.

It is God who gave us his word. At best men have been but mere caretakers of his revealed word. If mankind will not take care to preserve God's word, then God is perfectly capable of writing it on tablets of stone."

Well said.

[PetroniusMaximus]

"...but the books of the Bible were determined by men."

As you would expect, I disagree.

Did John the Baptist "determine" who would be the Messiah?



"I don't know if the average fundie-nut will be able to understand that, but I'll help you if you need it."

From some folks I would consider the label "fundie-nut" to be a badge of honor.

:)

[PetroniusMaximus]

" That's the only real goal in life. It's all I want to live for. "

I'm glad for it!

(...and I'll be looking forward to our next skirmish.)

:-)

[Salvation]

BTTT!

[Salvation]

**The purpose seems to be that the Scriptures are in competition with the "authority" of the RCC and must be undermined so as to enhance the position of the hierarchy.**

This doesn't make sense to me. Holy Tradition and Holy Scripture support each other.

[Salvation]

Excellent, sandyeggo!

[Salvation]

And in the Acts of the Apostles, Christ gives the keys of the kingdom to Peter!

[F16Fighter]

"The Bible came from God...but the books of the Bible were determined by men."

God's will had EVERYTHING to do with what was "determined" or destined "by men" to be His final word on the matter of Salvation.

"I don't know if the average fundie-nut will be able to understand that, but I'll help you if you need it."

Aaah, "fundie nut." Now we know where you're coming from.

It's your prerogative to stick to the "tradition" of Indulgences, beads, charms, holy water, scapulars, candles, incense, statues, novenas, praying to saints, and unscriptural dogma -- this is one "fundie nut" who'll take his chances with the Inspired Word of God to suffice as THE Truth and the Way.

[Salvation]

Very well said.