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To: bornacatholic
Jesus answered: Amen, amen I say to thee, unless a man be born again of water and the Holy Ghost, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.

The correct quote is somewhat different. John 3:5, [Jesus answered, "I tell you the truth, unless a man is born of water and the spirit , he cannot enter the Kingdom of God.]

In verse 3 he told Nicodemus that he must be born again, but verse 5 says nothing about...again. All men are born of water....at birth, when the mother's water breaks. This is not referencing baptism. Not all men will be born again by the spirit....but when it happens, the ones born again will be invisible. (verse 8) Until that point (the resurrection) the proper term is "begotten" of the spirit....just like Jesus in verse 16....[For God so loved the world that He gave his only begotten Son .....] Even Jesus was not "Born Again" until his resurrection.

58 posted on 02/05/2006 9:40:20 AM PST by Diego1618
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To: Diego1618

>>>In verse 3 he told Nicodemus that he must be born again, but verse 5 says nothing about...again.

In verse 3 it doesn't really say "again" either. At best it's a word play. It's literally: " born **from above** ". The same greek word is used here:

James 1:17
17 Every good gift and every perfect gift is ***from above***, and cometh down from the Father of lights, with whom is no variableness, neither shadow of turning.

It just makes your point even more.




61 posted on 02/05/2006 10:47:57 AM PST by the-ironically-named-proverbs2
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To: Diego1618

http://www.scripturecatholic.com/baptism.html


66 posted on 02/05/2006 11:52:37 AM PST by bornacatholic
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