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To: InterestedQuestioner
every time the Pharisees and Sadducee's attacked someone for not revering one of their traditions, they were called down by Christ. Need I remind you of the ox in the ditch on the Sabbath, or of the disciples not washing their hands before the meal? Traditions set by man are just that, traditions, He said if we love first the rest of Christian life will fall into place. That is how I make my focus in my Christian walk, against such there is no law right?
100 posted on 02/05/2006 10:43:56 AM PST by whispering out loud (the bible is either 100% true, or in it's very nature it is 100% a lie)
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The concept here that the church is needed to divide the scriptures is just plain wrong. The word of god says, "Study to show thyself approved rightly dividing the word of God." as well as "Thy word have I hid in my heart that I might not sin against thee." When we as people set people up on a pedestal and follow them and their word unquestioningly they are destined to disappoint us.

We are in effect Christians "little Christ" Christ is to be the pattern for our lives. He himself set a precedence for following the holy scriptures, and learning them as well as teaching them. I need no priest to interpret the scriptures for me, see 2 Tim 2;15, nor do I need a priest to mediate between God and myself, see 1 Tim 2;5-6. Nor was Mary blessed above women, no instead the scriptures say she was blessed among women. realizing also that Christ existed long before Mary ever did, see John 1;1-17. Mary in fact was not the mother of God but was blessed by him to be the mother of the physical form that he assumed when he came to earth.

I didn't come here to express my differences with Catholicism, I came mearly to discuss the topic at hand, but after attacks on my character, intelligence, theology, and faith by some of these good Christians I feel no other recourse. I stand upon scripture alone, and see it as the infallible word of God. So if someone would challenge my doctrine, or theology please site the exact point with which you disagree, and site scriptures to bring against it, because I do not debate opinion. Thank you
104 posted on 02/05/2006 11:30:17 AM PST by whispering out loud (the bible is either 100% true, or in it's very nature it is 100% a lie)
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" Traditions set by man are just that, traditions"


When we use the word tradition, we usually mean two things by it. First, there are those traditions that were handed down by Christ to the Apostles, and from the Apostles to the early Church. Perhaps better than tradition would be the word "history." Scripture clearly attests to many of these, and we can check our reading of Scripture by checking what the Church has always believed.

For example, Scripture clearly tells us that the Eucharist, (what many refer to as the Lord's supper,) is the Body and Blood of Jesus Christ. It doesn't say that it's a symbol, it says that it is the Body and Blood of Jesus Christ--that's just the plain words of Scripture. Now the Church has always understood the Eucharist to actually be Jesus Christ, and the historical evidence all indicates that Christians believed the Eucharist to be the Body and Blood of Jesus Christ. You can pull up any number of historical references from Christian authorities indicating this to be the case, I believe that you will find them dating back to sometime around the year 110 AD. It's was only 14 centuries later that you begin to see people claiming otherwise. So that is tradition in the historical sense. We point to the Scriptures when people ask for them, and if they do not believe the Scripture or disagree with our interpretation, we point to the historical record to show what the Church has always believed.

Now there is another type of tradition, and that is the tradition which is contained in the development of Christian doctrine. One example of this is the Bible. Now when you open the Bible to the Letter to the Hebrews, you have no question that it is inspired Scripture, even though you have no idea who the author is. Why then do you accept the Letter to the Hebrews as Scripture? Why indeed would you accept the Psalm of Psalms as Scriptural, since it's a book that doesn't even mention God once? You accept them on the basis of Christian tradition, the same basis on which you reject the Gospel of Thomas or the Acts of Paul as being fraudulent, even though they contain statements from Scripture, and are certainly very old documents. Basically, you believe the books in the Bible are Scriptural because you find these books bound up in the Bible when you open it. And the books are bound up in the Bible because the Church, 350 years after the time of Christ, canonized them.


" He said if we love first the rest of Christian life will fall into place. That is how I make my focus in my Christian walk..."

Good for you. God is Truth, God is Love and God is life. If we love the Truth and love one another, all will be well.
132 posted on 02/05/2006 9:15:24 PM PST by InterestedQuestioner (Believe in the Lord Jesus, and you will be saved.)
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