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To: armydoc; NYer
"Could you explain the apparent papal contradictions concerning freedom of religions expression?"

Hello Doctor,

Can you tell me where you see a contradiction? What do you understand these two statements to mean?

Regards,

iq
296 posted on 02/01/2006 11:16:14 PM PST by InterestedQuestioner (Believe in the Lord Jesus, and you will be saved.)
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To: InterestedQuestioner
Can you tell me where you see a contradiction? What do you understand these two statements to mean?

Pius IX is saying that is an erroneous opinion, an "insanity", to believe that "liberty of conscience and worship is each man's personal right, which ought to be legally proclaimed and asserted in every rightly constituted society; and that a right resides in the citizens to an absolute liberty, which should be restrained by no authority whether ecclesiastical or civil, whereby they may be able openly and publicly to manifest and declare any of their ideas whatever, either by word of mouth, by the press, or in any other way." Pretty self-explanatory.

Paul VI states the opposite: "This Vatican Council declares that the human person has a right to religious freedom. This freedom means that all men are to be immune from coercion on the part of individuals or of social groups and of any human power, in such wise that no one is to be forced to act in a manner contrary to his own beliefs, whether privately or publicly, whether alone or in association with others, within due limits."

Do you not see the glaring contradiction? Pius IX- freedom of religious expression BAD. Paul VI- freedom of religious expression GOOD. Yes, Paul VI added a "within due limits" disclaimer, but that certainly doesn't negate the contradiction in the essence of the two papal statements.
298 posted on 02/02/2006 7:21:16 AM PST by armydoc
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