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When the demons strike back: experience of an exorcist after an exorcism
SpiritDaily ^ | January 27, 2006 | Fr. Tom Euteneuer

Posted on 01/27/2006 7:37:26 AM PST by NYer

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To: Dajjal
When I read through Fr. Amorth's first book, there was something about it that made me feel "This is alright, but somehow I'm not impressed." I had no idea he was a Medjugorje supporter! I will definitely steer clear of him from now on.

Actually, Fr. Amorth is the church's leading authority on exorcism. He knows more about it and is more successful than any living priest. Don't steer clear of him. Pay attention.

Remember, just because Medjugorie was never investigated doesn't mean it didn't happen.

41 posted on 01/28/2006 10:03:10 AM PST by Desdemona (Music Librarian and provider of cucumber sandwiches, TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary. Hats required.)
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To: Dajjal
Fr. Euteneuer: I have been an exorcist for three years...

Perhaps Fr. Martin had more experience as an exorcist.

42 posted on 01/28/2006 11:52:26 AM PST by ELS (Vivat Benedictus XVI!)
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To: Frank Sheed

I love Roman Catholic Books! When I get their catalog, I want to buy nearly every book.


43 posted on 01/28/2006 12:14:54 PM PST by ELS (Vivat Benedictus XVI!)
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To: RobbyS
The context is that the author of, say Genesis did not know exactly the meaning of the stories he was recording.

Yup God kept Moses totally in the dark. You're the last person that should be defining what a pagan is or isn't.

44 posted on 01/28/2006 4:27:18 PM PST by Invincibly Ignorant
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To: Invincibly Ignorant

How do you know that Moses was the author, expect by tradition. Since it records his death, he might be the source of the stories but not the man who actually wrote it down.


45 posted on 01/28/2006 4:56:53 PM PST by RobbyS ( CHIRHO)
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To: Invincibly Ignorant
Yup God kept Moses totally in the dark

Did not. He spoke to Moses face to face, and did nothing that He did not reveal to His prophets, of whom, Moses was the chief one.

46 posted on 01/28/2006 5:05:07 PM PST by zeeba neighba
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To: RobbyS

Lol. I just have to rattle your chain once in a while to keep you from taking yourself so seriously. You'll thank me later. :-)


47 posted on 01/28/2006 5:47:09 PM PST by Invincibly Ignorant
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To: zeeba neighba

I was being sarcastic. Sorry for not doing the /sarcasm thing. :-)


48 posted on 01/28/2006 5:47:49 PM PST by Invincibly Ignorant
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To: Desdemona
http://home.earthlink.net/~agless/Medjugorje.htm
Medjugorje : Is All That Glitters Gold?

http://www.unitypublishing.com/Apparitions/MedjugorjeIndex.html
Testing the Spirit of Medjugorje

49 posted on 01/28/2006 5:53:10 PM PST by Dajjal
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To: RobbyS
How do you know that Moses was the author, expect by tradition. Since it records his death, he might be the source of the stories but not the man who actually wrote it down.

Seriously I actually agree with this. I also believe the same holds true for Gospel authors.

50 posted on 01/28/2006 5:57:05 PM PST by Invincibly Ignorant
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To: RobbyS
The context is that the author of, say Genesis did not know exactly the meaning of the stories he was recording. He just wrote. Rationalists are prone to the notion that the Scriptures are "fictions." But a good pagan might have conceded that what was recorded were visions, something like those that Mohammed claimed to have had. Theologians have the habit of dismissing this notion of revelation, but "dreams" and "visions" continue to this day.

I'm not exactly sure of your own position in this matter. I will just say again that Catholics scold Protestants for their rejection of tradition and their ignorance of how the scriptures came to be. Yet Catholics reject the Jewish traditions (often in scathing crypto-Protestant language) which since the time of Moses had taught that HaShem dictated the Torah to Moses letter-for-letter and that Moses wrote it down at G-d's dictation. What is the point of defending tradition if you're not only going to be a Protestant with regard to your predecessor tradition but a liberal Protestant at that, repeating nineteenth century German Protestant theories with gusto? I realize that you cannot accept all Jewish tradition, but you are still in a quandary when you preach traditionalism to Protestants and then turn around and imply that every Jewish teaching not explicitly written in the Torah is "the invention of priests and pharisees." Do Catholics truly believe that "authentic" Judaism was meant to be a sola scriptura faith and that only with the coming of chr*stianity was an authentic oral interpretive tradition essential?

I will also never understand why Catholics defend every tradition they have which trouble Protestants while those things held in common with Protestants (such as the scriptures) are subject to militant doubt and skepticism. But then, I don't understand why Catholics defend "Catholic miracles" (ie, marian apparitions, bilocations, the new testament miracles) while insisting that every supernatural phenomenon recorded in the "old testament" is mere didactic mythology.

On your personal page you call yourself a "native Southerner and Catholic." I have just finished an e-mail to a friend in which I questioned why we Southerners seem to naturally believe so intensely, while other peoples who theoretically share these beliefs seem so "sophisticated" and lukewarm in their beliefs. You must recall that Fundamentalist Protestants are often scolded by liturgical chr*stians for presenting a stumblingblock to intellectuals who will never accept religion if it requres them to question the infallibility of uniformitarian science. Do Catholics and Orthodox have no compassion whatsoever for people to whom uniformitarianism represents a stumblingblock? Are the simple people of the world now considered undesirable by religion? If so I hope Catholics will criticize their own Haitian and Bolivian peasants as well as Appalachian Protestants.

I doubt you have noticed, but the atheists on FR have been very active recently in attacking religion. Yet liturgical chr*stians choose not to get involved, opting rather to laugh at "Protestant creationism" instead.

Like you, I am a native Southerner. Unlike you, I don't understand the need of "respectable" religion to reinterpret every Biblical event in light of uniformitarian science and skeptical critical theories while defending most supernaturalistic Catholic traditions.

I guess there are just different kinds of Southerners. And my kind will never understand your kind.

51 posted on 01/28/2006 6:04:42 PM PST by Zionist Conspirator (Shallach 'et `ammi veya`avduni!)
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To: Zionist Conspirator

Well, I don't see why it is not possible that Moses passed on his revelation in the same way that the Muslims claim that Mohammed passed on his. It may be indeed the case that the Law was inscribed in stone. Having see the law of Hammarabi in the Louve, I don't see why the law given to the Israelis might not originally have taken the same form. But somewhere along the way, those words were tranferred to "paper" and that process need not have been under the eye of Moses, nor every word been his alone. As to the supernatural, it is not something that exists in the past or in a realm unconnected with our own. To the contrary, it is ever with us, as surely as the air we breathe, inseperable from the natural., in fact ,holding it in existence.


52 posted on 01/28/2006 6:57:51 PM PST by RobbyS ( CHIRHO)
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To: RobbyS
I don't understand why so many other Catholics are so naturalistic with regard to the "old testament" even as they defend the "new" and insist on modern miracles like the Fatima sun dance. This latter event, while not obligatory, is certainly not the source of any embarrassment nor is there any effort to assure intellectuals that they need not believe it, as their is with Genesis.

Most Catholics are obviously uncomfortble with and afraid of the alleged basis of their own religion. Perhaps they should ask themselves why.

53 posted on 01/29/2006 7:46:01 AM PST by Zionist Conspirator (Shallach 'et `ammi veya`avduni!)
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To: Zionist Conspirator

I do not have the impression that Catholics, ordinary Catholics are any more "naturalistic" abouyt the events of the Old Testament than the New. As for the intellectuals, they seem to distance themselves from the miracles of Lourdes. One thing you do not consider is that the ordinary Catholic really doesn't know much about the Old Testament. Barbara Tuchman, the Jewish historian, once reminded us of the close identification that English Protestants felt weith the "Israeltes," who for them replaced the Catholic Anglo-Saxons as their "true" ancestors. The number of Hebrew names among the Puritan fathers exemplifies this. That's because they no longer honored the saints and confined themselves to Biblical names.


54 posted on 01/29/2006 8:17:57 AM PST by RobbyS ( CHIRHO)
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To: Tax-chick

trying to instill fear too.


55 posted on 01/29/2006 8:31:09 AM PST by television is just wrong (Our sympathies are misguided with illegal aliens...)
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To: television is just wrong

Fear of puppies?


56 posted on 01/29/2006 8:34:48 AM PST by Tax-chick (No, I haven't had the baby yet. Sometimes life is like that!)
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To: Tax-chick

no
fear of demons. fear of God. I was brought up Catholic and that was all that was instilled to me was fear of God. Fear of anything. We were run into confession weekly, whether we needed to or not.


57 posted on 01/29/2006 8:40:27 AM PST by television is just wrong (Our sympathies are misguided with illegal aliens...)
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To: television is just wrong

I see. I've never run into that kind of thing.


58 posted on 01/29/2006 8:43:33 AM PST by Tax-chick (No, I haven't had the baby yet. Sometimes life is like that!)
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To: arasina

Pookie!


59 posted on 01/29/2006 8:53:40 AM PST by F16Fighter
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To: F16Fighter

LOL!


60 posted on 01/29/2006 8:57:56 AM PST by arasina (So there.)
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