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To: bornacatholic; gbcdoj
The Catechism is not a definition, it is a compilation of common teaching, both defined and undefined.

As to being complicit in heresy, since it is obvious that there are many radically heretical Catholics out there who are undisciplined and not cut-off, a theory which holds the Pope personally responsible for them does make the recent Popes complicit in the heresy of the Kungs and Currans of the world. Do you really want to go there?

I was raised to follow the Pope. If the Pope leads me over the cliff into heresy, God will understand as He is the one who taught me to follow the Pope.

No, follow the faith! The faith is within you from your Baptism. The Pope can err in private matters just like any man, as John XXII, for example, undeniably did. God will not understand if you contradict the divine faith He infused within you because you are following specious opinions that obviously contradict it. Even more so following opinions of a man who claims Papal approval for novelties without proof. Having a Pope does not relieve us of the obligation to use our faith and reason.

27 posted on 01/26/2006 5:47:58 AM PST by Hermann the Cherusker
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To: Hermann the Cherusker; gbcdoj
Well, I think Fr. C is right about Limbo. As I understand it, the CDF is reviewing it and because it is undefined I think any theologian is at liberty to, essentially, theologize it out of existence, correct?

As to your other points, I very much appreciate them and I will have to reconsider my ideas because I too just thought unbaptized children who died without the Sacrament would be brought to Heaven. As to how to explain that in the Divine Economy of Salvation and how to account for that according to the action of Grace? I really don't know. I am sure it will be and it will be considered a legitimate development of Doctrine, but who knows?

Hell, I might be a material heretic for that matter (I am not being sarcastic or acting the surprised victim). I really will have to reconsider my basic orientation. Maybe I have applied my obedience to the Pope a bit too widely. I am seriously going to think and pray about this; although, I do know the Pope can't teach error or heresy.

Thank you, brothers.

Oh, yeah, herm, I do not want to go there :)

Another, Oh yeah, the Pope you mentioned corrected his error while alive.

However, I am surprised that if you two are right the Pope hasn't corrected Fr. C or encouraged Fr. C. to advance another explanation for his remarks so that makes me think Fr. C may not be heretical but in advance of the cusp of doctrinal development.

We shall see. In any event, I really do appreciate both your posts and I really will think and pray about it

29 posted on 01/26/2006 3:22:49 PM PST by bornacatholic
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