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New film about Mountain Meadows revives controversy over LDS role
The Salt Lake Tribune ^ | 1/24/06 | John Anderson

Posted on 01/24/2006 7:15:12 AM PST by Utah Binger

LOS ANGELES - As 2006 dawned, Jon Krakauer's Under the Banner of Heaven - about a ''divinely ordered'' double murder in 1984 by two members of a breakaway Mormon sect - was fresh off the best-seller list. Warren Jeffs, the polygamist prophet of this splinter group, the Fundamentalist Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, was on FBI wanted lists. And the world's first-ever ''Mormon- sploitation Retrospective'' of vintage fear-mongering anti-Mormon movies had just finished at the fringy Pioneer Theater in New York's East Village.

In public relations terms, this is not the easiest time to have the words ''Latter,'' ''Day'' and ''Saints'' anywhere close together in your name. And the going may get rougher after the filmmaker Christopher Cain finishes his new movie about one of the darkest moments in Mormon history, the Mountain Meadows massacre of 1857, in which 137 pioneers from Arkansas were killed in Utah by a raiding party whose ties to the LDS Church are still in dispute.

An early look at parts of "September Dawn" - viewed in a West Los Angeles editing room with Cain and his longtime editor, Jack Hofstra - suggests that there will be fresh debate when it finally reaches the public.

(Excerpt) Read more at sltrib.com ...


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To: colorcountry

You win! I owe you one big whiskey or an Arizona beer or 6. We will meet in the parking lot at the MMM Memorial site down on Highway 18. My brother the bishop and his family live near there in Veyo. Possibly he will agree to preside over the sinning. For certain he will if he comes alone.


21 posted on 01/24/2006 12:15:40 PM PST by Utah Binger (Some of my best friends are lapsed Mormons)
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To: Utah Binger
My brother, the Bishop from over-ta-home, can come and accept our confession of our great sin, so we can be absolved and attend next week's ward meetings with a pure conscience! (as long as we bring our 10%)
22 posted on 01/24/2006 12:21:45 PM PST by colorcountry (Currently not in the process of becoming a God!)
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To: MineralMan
Every group has some skeletons in its closet. Christians are not exempt from that statement, yet bashing Christians for actions taken by some Christians in the past is not proper

"Christianity is a religion hatched in hell." -Brigham Young

"The Christian's god is the Mormon's devil." - Brigham Young

Since when did the Mormon church become Christian?

23 posted on 01/24/2006 12:33:25 PM PST by Bear_Slayer
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To: Bear_Slayer

My friend, I don't really care if the Mormons are Christians or not. They claim to be. Actually, though, in the line you quoted from an earlier post of mine, I was discussing some of the ugly things that have been done in the name of non-Mormon Christianity.

My point is that all religious groups are capable of, and have done, ugly things. When these things happen in the fairly distant past, we do not condemn the current followers of a religion for what happened over 100 years ago.


24 posted on 01/24/2006 12:38:14 PM PST by MineralMan (godless atheist)
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To: MineralMan

***Please, folks...no Mormon bashing.***

History in context is not bashing.
Hows about a long look at the MORRISITE MASSACRE in which dis-illusioned former mormons were murdered by B. Young's militia. They surrounded the Morrisite camp and bombarded it with cannon fire before attacking, shooting down men, women and children.

And there are several other massacres of other groups also, but none hit the nerve like the MMM.


25 posted on 01/24/2006 12:42:56 PM PST by Ruy Dias de Bivar
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To: colorcountry

It's not quite that simple. A number of the pioneers were openly bragging and taunting that they were parts of the mobs that had murdered, raped and pillaged Mormons back in Missouri and they they would do so again given the opportunity.

Isn't it interesting that films are made about the Mountain Meadows massacre, but none about Hans Mill.


26 posted on 01/24/2006 12:45:50 PM PST by frgoff
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To: colorcountry

Well, of course, it could just be because the church was NOT officially involved or sanctioned the actions and that it WAS a rogue group of Mormons reacting to the fact that some of these pioneers were bragging to the Mormons that they had proudly taken part in the mob murders, rape and pillaging of Mormons back in Missouri.

What would you do if a man came near your property, saw you and said:

Hey, Bill, I raped your wife and burned your home. I'm gonna do it again to you and all you devil Mormons.


27 posted on 01/24/2006 12:49:35 PM PST by frgoff
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To: frgoff
Isn't it interesting that films are made about the Mountain Meadows massacre, but none about Hans Mill.

Make one.

28 posted on 01/24/2006 12:50:15 PM PST by colorcountry (Currently not in the process of becoming a God!)
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To: Utah Binger

bump


29 posted on 01/24/2006 12:51:55 PM PST by VOA
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To: Bear_Slayer
"Christianity is a religion hatched in hell." -Brigham Young

Brigham Young was probably quoting Thomas Jefferson, who had similar views on the organized Christian religions of his day.

Since when did the Mormon church become Christian?

Since the Title Page of the Book of Mormon ...to the convincing of the Jew and Gentile, that Jesus is the Christ, the Eternal God...

Read it some time. And, oh, get quotes in context, not from some book by the Tanners.

30 posted on 01/24/2006 12:54:40 PM PST by frgoff
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To: Utah Binger

bump


31 posted on 01/24/2006 12:55:02 PM PST by VOA
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To: colorcountry

Why don't you?


32 posted on 01/24/2006 12:56:25 PM PST by frgoff
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To: frgoff

Are there any mainline Christian churches that consider Mormon's to be Christian?


33 posted on 01/24/2006 12:57:46 PM PST by bonfire
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To: Little_shoe

And that's relevant to this thread how?


34 posted on 01/24/2006 1:01:00 PM PST by VegasBaby
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To: frgoff
A number of the pioneers were openly bragging and taunting that they were parts of the mobs that had murdered, raped and pillaged Mormons back in Missouri

You have no source or evidence for that. While I do not condone the acts of those in Missouri, it certainly is explainable.

Along comes a religion that has more in common with paganism, led by a tyrant who has a lust for multiple wives. His doctrines & proclamations, fly from the cuff and have little basis in biblical theology. He boasts of a religious war and a desire to overthrow the US and establish himself in control. He was martyred by a mob that was fed-up with his antics and the fact that he had disagreed with an anti-mormon (ex-Mormon) Press, to the extent that he had the printing press dragged into the street and busted up.

Well, maybe I do condone what the missourians did . . .

35 posted on 01/24/2006 1:02:19 PM PST by Bear_Slayer
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To: frgoff

I have no interest in the subject.

You are quick to blame the Arkansas immigrants for stirring up ill feelings towards themselves. Do you think the Mormons might have also been instrumental in creating bad blood with their neighboring Missourians.


36 posted on 01/24/2006 1:02:21 PM PST by colorcountry (Currently not in the process of becoming a God!)
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To: frgoff

Best advice, my friend, is to just roll your eyes and ignore threads like these. They seem to just attract the same posters who seem to get their jollies off of re-hashing the same things over and over again despite the fact that they happened 150 years ago and have no relevance today.

So there's a new anti-mormon movie being made? What a surprise. ((yawn))


37 posted on 01/24/2006 1:08:44 PM PST by VegasBaby
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To: frgoff
"Christianity is a religion hatched in hell." -Brigham Young Brigham Young was probably quoting Thomas Jefferson, who had similar views on the organized Christian religions of his day.

So when & why did Mormonism become a Christian religion, if it's second president suggested that christianity was a religion hatched in Hell?

Since the Title Page of the Book of Mormon ...to the convincing of the Jew and Gentile, that Jesus is the Christ, the Eternal God... Please explain to me where Brigham went astray, if LDS is a christian church. especially considering the bizarre doctrines of that church.

38 posted on 01/24/2006 1:13:19 PM PST by Bear_Slayer
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To: Utah Binger
As a history buff, I'm aware of this terrible incident. Still, color me skeptical why Hollyweird would choose this relatively obscure incident to dramatize, when they do almost nothing from the Western genre anymore?

Could it be Mormon bashing? Or just general Christian fundamentalist bashing (Hollyweirdos don't know the difference between Mormons and Christian fundamentalists)?

39 posted on 01/24/2006 1:16:28 PM PST by colorado tanker (I can't comment on things that might come before the Court, but I can tell you my Pinochle strategy)
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To: bonfire

Nope, but since that decision is up to God and not the Baptists, it's irrelevant.


40 posted on 01/24/2006 1:24:44 PM PST by frgoff
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