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Songs That Make a Difference (in the faith life of American Catholics)
National Association of Pastoral Musicians ^

Posted on 01/23/2006 7:53:15 AM PST by NYer

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To: AnAmericanMother

I've suggested re-looking at the OCP subscription to our parish liturgy committee. Doubt it will do any good with our current pastor, but you never can tell!


61 posted on 01/24/2006 2:51:22 AM PST by markomalley (Vivat Iesus!)
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To: AnAmericanMother

I've suggested re-looking at the OCP subscription to our parish liturgy committee. Doubt it will do any good with our current pastor, but you never can tell!


62 posted on 01/24/2006 2:51:23 AM PST by markomalley (Vivat Iesus!)
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To: AnAmericanMother
"Lord of the Dance" was never intended as a hymn. It's a poem set to music by Sydney Carter. He writes good stuff, but it's not church stuff. It's sort of folk.

I agree, it may be a delightful song, but Church music it ain't!

63 posted on 01/24/2006 6:36:49 AM PST by conservonator (Pray for those suffering)
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To: Salvation
Had never considered your reasoning on the Here I Am, either. I choose not to think that way, I guess..........or just I'm naive.

Not naive, just a more generous person than I am.

64 posted on 01/24/2006 6:38:55 AM PST by conservonator (Pray for those suffering)
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To: rogator

No "Dude of Cool" is not real yet. But I can see it happening. The ancient metaphor of the Lamb of God is not enough. We must go beyond and away from the innocence of a little lamb.


65 posted on 01/24/2006 7:09:53 AM PST by klossg (GK - God is good!)
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To: klossg
The Lamb

John Tavener setting of the William Blake poem.

66 posted on 01/24/2006 7:19:16 AM PST by AnAmericanMother (Ministrix of Ye Chase, TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary (recess appointment))
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To: klossg

I also can see it happening, perhaps in a children's Mass designed for teenagers. That's why I asked.
I have also heard "prince of peace etc."
Perhaps we can thank the likes of Oregon Catholic Press for this kind of stuff also.


67 posted on 01/24/2006 7:51:51 AM PST by rogator
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To: NYer

"A Mighty Fortress is Our God"

I know, I know. It's Lutheran.

So burn me at the stake.

;-)


68 posted on 01/24/2006 8:15:11 AM PST by sitetest (If Roe is not overturned, no unborn child will ever be protected in law.)
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To: Carolina
Have you seen The Anglican Use Gradual?

WOW!!! Thanks for posting that link!

The more I see what the English-language liturgy *could have been* if its architects were not out-and-out barbarians, the more @*&*$*#($*& I get.

69 posted on 01/24/2006 9:35:23 AM PST by Claud
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To: Claud

Did you notice how much easier the Alleluia chant is instead of the Celtic Mass or Jesuit Mass Alleluia. It took me several weeks to learn either of them. And I'm a musician, too, and I've sung in choirs for most of my life.


70 posted on 01/24/2006 10:01:48 AM PST by Carolina
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To: Carolina
I'll take a look at the Alleluia...I only skimmed through so far :)

There's this "pop" Alleluia in like 4/4 I've heard only starting recently that is utterly atrocious. With c as the root... c-d-e-f, f-e-d-c. f-e-f-g, f-e-d-e. {shudder}

The Anglican musical tradition is so much more Catholic than the average parish fare that's served up nowadays.

71 posted on 01/24/2006 12:24:43 PM PST by Claud
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To: NYer
Everytime I hear Marty Haugen's name brought up, I know we're in for some huggy, touchy feely, new agey mush, careful to avoid reference to anything that might be traditionally considered Catholic, whether outwardly or not. And he top's the list. *eyeroll*

OTOH, I love Salve Regina and centuries later it's hard to top Tantum Ergo, St. Thomas Aquinas is a genius, a real treasure for us. And I do enjoy Pescador de Hombres.

72 posted on 01/24/2006 1:28:11 PM PST by fortunecookie
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To: sitetest; Carolina; fortunecookie; Claud; Salvation; AnAmericanMother
"A Mighty Fortress is Our God" I know, I know. It's Lutheran. So burn me at the stake.

Lol ... not today :-)

I have truly enjoyed the posts to this thread. They resurrect memories from my former parish. The new 'light in the loafers' pastor, had a penchant for anything less than orthodox, especially the music. We already had two choral groups when he arrived - a contemporary group that 'performed' at the 9am 'Family' Mass and the staid 'choir' that sang at the 11am Mass. Preferring the choir, I always attended the latter where I enjoyed the more traditional hymns. Many of the young families preferred the 9 o'clock and some absolutely loved the more contemporary music. Father gave the contemporary group, 'pride of place' during high holy days. I recall one Christmas Vigil Mass where Father smiled broadly when a 2 year old child jumped up on the pew and began 'boogeying' to the contemporary music.

Thank you all for your contributions to this thread. Here is mine.

Maronite Sacred Music

Aside from the liturgical chants, the hymns sung during the Maronite Divine Liturgy are quite old and limited. Like the chants, they are sung to a similar musical form. The most recognized Maronite hymns are 'O Bread of Life' and 'The Lord is My Shepherd'. The Maronites are not into innovation and Father is occasionally challenged to 'update' the music by those Maronites who have attended the Latin NO Mass. He smiles and reminds them of their roots. Bless him! (and thank you for not introducing these novelties into our liturgy.

73 posted on 01/24/2006 4:44:14 PM PST by NYer (Discover the beauty of the Eastern Catholic Churches - freepmail me for more information.)
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To: NYer
I recall one Christmas Vigil Mass where Father smiled broadly when a 2 year old child jumped up on the pew and began 'boogeying' to the contemporary music.

A "liturgical dancer" in the making. *rolls eyes*

74 posted on 01/24/2006 8:02:00 PM PST by Carolina
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To: klossg
Taking the Lamb of God and changing it to anything but Lamb of God. ... "Prince of Peace" ... "Merciful Lord" ... "Dude of Cool" Takes away the sin of the world ...

LOL, but disgusted at the same time, it's so sad and true at some parishes!

75 posted on 01/24/2006 9:51:38 PM PST by kstewskis ("There you go again..." R.R.)
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To: rogator; klossg
I also can see it happening, perhaps in a children's Mass designed for teenagers. That's why I asked.

It was precisely this type of mass I attended about a year ago at my sister's parish in Idaho, where it came pretty darned close to this.

It took all I could not to leave in tears. I kid you not.

Fortunately, there were a lot of complaints afterwards (from what I heard) and things toned down a bit.

76 posted on 01/24/2006 9:56:46 PM PST by kstewskis ("There you go again..." R.R.)
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To: kstewskis
It took all I could not to leave in tears.

Oh I know. And it is amazing the lenghts some music ministers will go to make the Mass more vibrant! I hope and pray it is because they do not know what they are doing.

But the Priests know better. And generally I have found that when I get to know the more lax priests (and I have lived through more than a couple), I find that they were Alcoholics or had a unconventional childhood or have issues themselves. They are lax because God has been so merciful to them. So, they need prayers and comforting more than others. I do hope the Seminaries understand these issues when they allow them to join the seminary. I am sure they see the connection. But, they can't stop everyone from becoming a priest. But it would be nice to get a bunch of well raised young men to make the "Dude of Cool" songs a little less prevalent.
77 posted on 01/25/2006 8:47:49 AM PST by klossg (GK - God is good!)
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To: markomalley
I despise Oregon "Catholic" Press...

I'll second that!

I'll also chide choir directors for following blindly every suggestion OCP thinks is appropriate.

I mean, Adoro Te Devote and O, Sacrament Most Holy are in the Music Issue OCP publishes but we never, ever sing them. But we get plentiful helpings of the more 'modern' tunes that the congregation sings half-heartedly, if at all.

78 posted on 01/26/2006 11:39:24 AM PST by siunevada (If we learn nothing from history, what's the point of having one? - Peggy Hill)
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To: socialismisinsidious
the choir director played a little number during the Alleluia that he ended by running his fingers up the keys...it sounded like something from a New Orleans burlesque show.

Must be a classmate of one of the choir directors at our parish. Before Mass, when he's warming up, he has a bad habit of 'noodling' blues riffs. Incredibly obnoxious. And, sorry dude, completely un-hip.

If Duke Ellington or Ray Charles wouldn't do that in church, he shouldn't either.

I think he must regret not having a misspent hard-rockin' youth to look back on.

I wish he would just form a cover band and go out and try to get some paying gigs on Friday nights.

79 posted on 01/26/2006 12:12:58 PM PST by siunevada (If we learn nothing from history, what's the point of having one? - Peggy Hill)
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To: NYer

Bumping this again.


80 posted on 02/08/2006 8:28:05 AM PST by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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