Vatican Storylines: Those Who Are Resisting Benedict XVI

Chiesa ^ | January 19, 2006 | Sandro Magister

[dangus]

Look, I said it didn't seem like a very good translation :^D. Now, use your imagination and think of what the Japanese were saying when they were mistranslated as saying "Gott, Zie Ra!" (hint, they were talking about someone heavier and more destructive than Michael Moore.)

[NYer]

God, you...RA?

Nein!

Very large ape currently starring in the movies :-)

[Nihil Obstat]

thanks -- it seems a little disrespectful to my non-Italian ears. Guess it isn't.

[Carolina]

Why do they do that?

I have no idea. It drove me crazy, though.

[siunevada]

Very large ape currently starring in the movies :-)

Nein!

Gott, Zie Ra!

Really big lizard.

[dangus]

>> Very large ape currently starring in the movies :-) <<

Speaking of Michael Moore...

[Alex Murphy]

But not everyone in the upper levels of the Church is full of love and solidarity for this new pope. Resistance to his guidance is tenacious and widespread, and in some places it is on the rise. And almost all the resistance shields itself behind the protection of anonymity.

Ping for later reading. I might not agree with the theologies, but the politics of this fascinate me.

[rzeznikj at stout]

But that’s no longer the case with pope Ratzinger

No respect for the Holy Father? Nothing more needs to be said...

[Desdemona]

Is it possible that even Benedict wasn't aware of how widespread the rot within the Church in Europe and America has become?

I doubt it. The man is absolutely brilliant. He was one of the few who realized in the middle of Vatican II what a major blunder the outcome was.

I would imagine he knows and is watching his step so as to not detonate any landmines. The particular group in this article really needed to be dealt with. It's like he's working on both of the apostacy extremes at the same time. There's something rather wise in that.

[patent]

But instead of simply obeying, the Neocatechumenals disobeyed while asserting that they were perfectly obedient.

They have all the trappings of a cult.

This is really how the SSPX started out, disobeying while claiming obedience, and they still do it today. Seperate heirarchy, seperate catechism, seperate Mass, on and on and on. Different theologies, but otherwise very similar. I truly hope the result is different. We shall see.

patent

[Frank Sheed]

I pray for the Holy Father three times a day. Can anyone doubt that he has the weight of the world on his frail shoulders? The rot is deep within the Church, indeed! He should know! He dealt with it for more than 20 years!

May the Holy Spirit guide you always, Holy Father!
F

[livius]

I don't know - they may come around.

The founder, Kiko Arguello, who is a painter, is a friend of the very orthodox Cardinal Archbishop of Madrid (Rouco) and painted some parts of the newly renovated Cathedral, La Almudena.

One thing that might happen is that some will stick with Rome and others will decide to go off on their own, resulting in a division in the movement. We shall see.

[dsc]

Oh.

Groan.

[narses]

"Seperate heirarchy, seperate catechism, seperate Mass, ..."

True of the Neos, not true of the SSPX. The catechism? The same the Church used for centuries. The Mass? The same the Church used for centuries. The hierarchy? The same Rome gave them until 1988 and even then only in a state of necessity, not a total change of theology, liturgy, catechism and belief.

[bornacatholic]

The have their own Hierarchy, Churches, Canon Law. They are a petit ecclesia and their illicit masses are celebrated in the Jurisdiction of Catholic Bishops - directly condemned by Trent.

From "The Jews are cursed" to "the N.O. Mass is evil" to their sspx marriage tribunals, the sspx is a heretical, and schismatic collection of antisemites and theological blockheads and, back when he was a Cardinal, Ratzinger publicly noted their intellectual and theological defencies vis a vis the Mass. He used a phrase dimplomatically that really parsed as "they are idiots"

Nice try but schismatic agitprop doesn't work with real Catholics

[bornacatholic]

Not me. Pope Benedict said our Church would be much smaller in the future. Time for him to start swinging the scythe and start lopping off the heads of all of these schismatic heretics.

Honestly, as a faithful Catholic who has seen AmChurch run my Faith into the ground, I can tell you that much of the time I am frustrated and angry at the refusal of the Papacy to apply discipline that could (would?) put us back on the path to ecclesiastical sanity.

IMO, the Papal hesitancy in applying discipline has not yielded a lot of positive results.

If I were Pope, I'd publicly state, "Y'all have until Good Friday to get right with the Lord and the Church. That goes for anyone who goes to the illicit Masses of the SSPX to those who go to Neocatechumenal Liturgues and anyone else who opposes me. If y'all aren't in union with me, if you do not obey legitimate and Divinely Ordained authority, y'all can go to hell. Capiche? Y'all got to Good Friday. Period. Come the Monday after Easter, Y'all are excomunicated. That's it. We Popes haven't been doing our jobs. We have been too lenient. Good Friday, that ends. Good Friday is the day we bury leniency and tolerance. This Easter, the Church will rise purified and on fire. Y'all either with me or against me. Choose life or death."