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To: maui_hawaii

Yeah riiiight.......

Apologists sometimes claim that the Nephites and Lamanites shared their land with other inhabitants not from Jerusalem. However, this does not appear to be the case:


"8. And behold, it is wisdom that this land should be kept as yet from the knowledge of other nations; for behold, many nations would overrun the land, that there would be no place for an inheritance.
9. Wherefore, I, Lehi, have obtained a promise, that inasmuch as those whom the Lord God shall bring out of the land of Jerusalem shall keep his commandments, they shall prosper upon the face of the land; and they shall be kept from all other nations, that they may possess this land unto themselves. And if it so be that they shall keep his commandments they shall be blessed upon the face of this land, and there shall be none to molest them, nor to take away the land of their inheritance; and they shall dwell safely forever." (2 Nephi 1:8-9)

You must be a member of the "new improved" LDS Church because this is what they taught me.


169 posted on 01/24/2006 9:03:50 PM PST by colorcountry (Currently not in the process of becoming a God!)
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To: colorcountry
You forgot a couple of parts...

5 But, said he, notwithstanding our afflictions, we have obtained a land of promise, a land which is choice above all other lands; a land which the Lord God hath ccovenanted with me should be a land for the inheritance of my seed. Yea, the Lord hath covenanted this land unto me, and to my children forever, and also all those who should be led out of other countries by the hand of the Lord.

6 Wherefore, I, Lehi, prophesy according to the workings of the Spirit which is in me, that there shall none come into this land save they shall be brought by the hand of the Lord.

7 Wherefore, this land is consecrated unto him whom he shall bring. And if it so be that they shall serve him according to the commandments which he hath given, it shall be a land of liberty unto them; wherefore, they shall never be brought down into captivity; if so, it shall be because of iniquity; for if iniquity shall abound cursed shall be the land for their sakes, but unto the righteous it shall be blessed forever.

2 Nephi 1:5-7, which are the three proceeding verses to what you ignorantly posted.

173 posted on 01/24/2006 9:14:02 PM PST by maui_hawaii
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To: colorcountry

If you listen to the above linked documentary:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-
8594203721530427132

Quoted from above Video Documentary:
"Mormon 1:7 says of the growing Nephites, the whole face of the land had become covered with buildings, and the people were as numerous almost as the sand of the sea."

Some of the staunchest evidence against mormonisn comes from the above statement. How can the whole of North America be covered with buildings and peoples. Yet there is no artifactual evidence of these vast civilizations.

On the other hand they are yearly finding more and more evidence to back the Bible and it's place in history. You can even go visit this land and it's many Biblical artifacts and places. Even archeological evidence thousands of years old from the old testament times, much older than evidence that has "been destroyed" here in North America.

This should be a real problem to some caught up in the LDS system. Where are traces of these civilizations?

Also 2 Nephi 5:21,24 says of the rebellious lamanites, "the Lord God caused a skin of blackness to come upon them." and "because of the cursing which was upon them they did become an idle people full of mischief."

Also Alma 3:6 we read "And the skins of the Lamanites were dark, according to the mark which was set upon their fathers, which was a curse upon them because of their transgression... "

The prophet Joseph Smith taught that the Lamanites eventually destroyed the white skinned people (Nephites) and that the American Indians are the descendants of the ancient Lamanites.

Joseph Smith himself taught that "Negroes" are the "sons of Cain, this is exactly where Brigham Young got his opinion from."
(History of the Church, Vol. 4, page 501)

Mormon leaders also taught that "As a result of his rebellion, Cain was cursed with a dark skirt; he became the father of the Negroes, and those spirits who are not worthy to receive the priesthood are born through his lineage." (Mormon Doctrine, 1958, page 102)

"And he had caused the cursing to come upon them, yea, even a sore cursing, because of their iniquity.-..wherefore, as they were white, and exceeding fair and delightsome, that they might not be enticing unto my people the Lord God did cause a skin of blackness to come upon them." (2 Nephi 5:21)

The doctrine which Mormon leaders used to teach concerning blacks was clearly set forth in a letter written by the First Presidency of the church in 1947: "From the days of the Prophet Joseph even until now, it has been the doctrine of the Church, never questioned by any of the Church leaders, that the Negroes are not entitled to the full blessings of the Gospel. "
(Letter from the First Presidency of the Mormon Church, July 17, 1947, as cited in Mormonism and the Negro, by John J. Stewart, 1960, pages 46-47)


224 posted on 01/26/2006 1:00:22 PM PST by johnk (faithful with little....)
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