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DNA vs. The Book of Mormon
Living Hope Ministries ^ | Mar 1, 2003 | Director / Producer: Joel Kramer

Posted on 01/18/2006 11:50:52 AM PST by johnk

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To: Quester
Galatians 1:8 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.

9 As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.


I agree with this. It is the contention of the LDS Church that we have the gospel taught by the Apostles. Heck, we have Apostles.
121 posted on 01/24/2006 2:34:41 PM PST by Adam-ondi-Ahman
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To: Adam-ondi-Ahman
Unfortunately, you've yet to prove your case that the Mormon writings are from God.

No man can prove the things of God. That's between the individual and God. Until someone says they have studied the Book of Mormon with an open mind, and prayed to God to know if it is true or not, his/her arguments that the Book of Mormon is made-up fiction from the mind of Joseph Smith, Jr. holds no water with me.


The fact that the Book of Mormon contradicts the original scriptures ... is enough for me.

122 posted on 01/24/2006 2:37:12 PM PST by Quester
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To: Adam-ondi-Ahman
Galatians 1:8 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.

9 As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.


I agree with this. It is the contention of the LDS Church that we have the gospel taught by the Apostles. Heck, we have Apostles.


Yes ... that is their claim ... isn't it ?

123 posted on 01/24/2006 2:39:22 PM PST by Quester
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To: Adam-ondi-Ahman
Until someone says they have studied the Book of Mormon with an open mind, and prayed to God to know if it is true or not, his/her arguments that the Book of Mormon is made-up fiction from the mind of Joseph Smith, Jr. holds no water with me.

But Adam,

I've done those things. I don't think the BOM is fiction...but I don't believe it is from God.

124 posted on 01/24/2006 2:41:35 PM PST by colorcountry (Currently not in the process of becoming a God!)
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To: colorcountry

Actually ... the Mormons(christians)have an additional set of writings which we mainstream (christians) do not accept ... much like Jews don't accept the New Testament documents.

Let's change Mormons to Muslims...it's all the same thing and it is all about discernment.

Yes many of the Muslims are nice people (and should not be confused with terrorist) also as well as the children of God too, just like the Agnostics, Aethist, Judeo and of course mainstreamers,etc.!


125 posted on 01/24/2006 2:56:34 PM PST by restornu (On the other hand some here even pick-up Sugary Darts at their local Pharisee shop!)
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To: restornu

Yes Muslims are/can be good people...but do you believe their writings are from God?


126 posted on 01/24/2006 2:58:34 PM PST by colorcountry (Currently not in the process of becoming a God!)
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To: Logophile
"Moreover, most scholars believe that the Book of Mormon lands were in Central America. So if you are looking for evidences of Hebrew in Iroquoian and Algonquian, you are likely looking in the wrong place."

The Linguists have found no evidence of Hebrew in the Central or South American lands either.

127 posted on 01/24/2006 3:00:09 PM PST by zeaal (SPREAD TRUTH!)
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To: Quester
The fact that the Book of Mormon contradicts the original scriptures ... is enough for me.

How do you know it contradicts? How do you know that the Bible hasn't been altered in the past 2000 years?
128 posted on 01/24/2006 3:02:49 PM PST by Adam-ondi-Ahman
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To: colorcountry

Gather you don't know OT too well there some record of them there!

Hint Ismael father Abraham!


129 posted on 01/24/2006 3:06:05 PM PST by restornu (On the other hand some here even pick-up Sugary Darts at their local Pharisee shop!)
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To: zeaal
The Linguists have found no evidence of Hebrew in the Central or South American lands either

You're making Harry so sad. He was so certain he was on the right track.

130 posted on 01/24/2006 3:10:20 PM PST by Utah Binger (Some of my best friends are lapsed Mormons)
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To: restornu

Yes, I know the story of Abram/Abraham and Ishmael and Isaac. What does that have to do with the Koran. Are you saying you believe the Koran to be the word of God?

I gather you don't know your Koran too well!


131 posted on 01/24/2006 3:13:42 PM PST by colorcountry (Currently not in the process of becoming a God!)
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To: Adam-ondi-Ahman
How do you know that the Bible hasn't been altered in the past 2000 years?

Because God said. How do you know it HAS?

132 posted on 01/24/2006 3:16:12 PM PST by colorcountry (Currently not in the process of becoming a God!)
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To: Dan(9698); DelphiUser; Utah Girl; fightin kentuckian; Adam-ondi-Ahman

GUIDE TO THE SCRIPTURES CHRONOLOGY

The following chronology, or list of events, is not comprehensive and is meant only to give the reader a sense of the sequence of events in biblical and Book of Mormon times:

Events in the days of the early patriarchs: (Because of the difficulty in determining exact dates for the events in this section, dates are not given.)


B.C. (or B.C.E.—Before Common Era)
4000 Adam fell.
Enoch ministered
Noah ministered; the earth was flooded.
The Tower of Babel was built; the Jaredites traveled to the Promised Land.
Melchizedek ministered.
Noah died.
Abram (Abraham) was born.
Isaac was born.
Jacob was born.
Joseph was born.
Joseph was sold into Egypt.
Joseph appeared before Pharaoh.
Jacob (Israel) and his family went down to Egypt.
Jacob (Israel) died.
Joseph died.
Moses was born.
Moses led the children of Israel out of Egypt (the Exodus).
Moses was translated.
Joshua died.
After Joshua died, the period of the judges began, the first judge being Othniel and the last Samuel; the order and dates of the rest are very uncertain.
Saul was anointed king.


Events of the United Kingdom of Israel:


1095 Saul’s reign began.
1063 David was anointed king by Samuel.
1055 David became king in Hebron.
1047 David became king in Jerusalem; Nathan and Gad prophesied.
1015 Solomon became king of all Israel.
991 The temple was finished.
975 Solomon died; the ten northern tribes revolted against Rehoboam, his son, and Israel was divided.


Events of Israel:


975 Jeroboam was king of Israel.
875 Ahab ruled in Samaria over northern Israel; Elijah prophesied.
851 Elisha worked great miracles.
792 Amos prophesied.
790 Jonah and Hosea prophesied.
721 The Northern Kingdom was destroyed; the ten tribes were taken into captivity; Micah prophesied.


Events of Judah:


949 Shishak, king of Egypt, plundered Jerusalem.
740 Isaiah began to prophesy. (Rome was founded; Nabonassar was king of Babylon in 747; Tiglath-pileser III was king of Assyria from 747 to 734.)
728 Hezekiah was king of Judah. (Shalmaneser IV was king of Assyria.)
642 Nahum prophesied.
628 Jeremiah and Zephaniah prophesied.
609 Obadiah prophesied; Daniel was carried away captive to Babylon. (Nineveh fell in 606; Nebuchadnezzar was king of Babylon from 604 to 561.)
598 Ezekiel prophesied in Babylon; Habakkuk prophesied; Zedekiah was king of Judah.
587 Nebuchadnezzar captured Jerusalem.


Events in Book of Mormon History:


600 Lehi left Jerusalem.
588 Mulek departed from Jerusalem for the promised land.
588 Nephites separated themselves from the Lamanites (between 588 and 570).
400 Jarom received the plates.
360 Omni received the plates.
148 Abinadi was martyred; Alma reestablished the Church among the Nephites.
124 Benjamin gave his final speech to the Nephites.
100 Alma the Younger and the sons of Mosiah began their work.
91 The reign of the judges began among the Nephites.
5 Samuel the Lamanite prophesied of Christ’s birth.
A.D. (or C. E.)
33 or 34 The resurrected Christ appeared in America. 385 The Nephite nation was destroyed.
421 Moroni hid the plates.


Events in Jewish History:


537 Cyrus decreed that the Jews could return from Babylon.
520 Haggai and Zechariah prophesied.
486 Esther lived.
458 Ezra was commissioned to make reforms.
444 Nehemiah was appointed governor of Judea.
432 Malachi prophesied.
332 Alexander the Great conquered Syria and Egypt. 323 Alexander died.
277 The Septuagint, the translation of Jewish scriptures into Greek, was begun.
167 Mattathias the Maccabee revolted against Syria.
166 Judas Maccabaeus became leader of the Jews.
165 The temple was cleansed and rededicated; Hanukkah originated.
161 Judas Maccabaeus died.
63 Pompey conquered Jerusalem, and the rule of the Maccabees ended in Israel.
51 Cleopatra reigned.
41 Herod and Phasael were made joint tetrarchs of Judea.
37 Herod became leader in Jerusalem.
31 The Battle of Actium was fought; Augustus was emperor of Rome from 31 B.C. to A.D. 14.
30 Cleopatra died.
17 Herod restored the temple.


Events in Christian History:


A.D. (or C. E. -Common Era)

Birth of Jesus Christ:
30 Christ’s ministry began.
33 Christ was crucified.
35 Paul was converted.
45 Paul took his first missionary journey.
58 Paul was sent to Rome.
61 The history of the Acts of the Apostles closed.
62 Rome was burned; Christians were persecuted under Nero.
70 Christians retired to Pella; Jerusalem was sieged and captured.
95 Christians were persecuted by Domitian.




133 posted on 01/24/2006 3:31:40 PM PST by restornu (On the other hand some here even pick-up Sugary Darts at their local Pharisee shop!)
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To: colorcountry

na ah na ah na na who took my red wagon!

no it isn't yes it is

No

Yes

no

etc


GeeZ! LOL


134 posted on 01/24/2006 3:39:15 PM PST by restornu (On the other hand some here even pick-up Sugary Darts at their local Pharisee shop!)
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To: colorcountry
Because God said. How do you know it HAS?

Source? Where has God said that the Bible we have today is His full word, and is completely accurate and pure?

An angel of the Lord told ancient prophets in American that the book that came from the Jews would be pure when it was created, but would be distorted by wicked men.
135 posted on 01/24/2006 3:43:25 PM PST by Adam-ondi-Ahman
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To: restornu; Quester; Utah Binger; zeaal; pointsal; brooklyn dave; Invincibly Ignorant; johnk
Moses was translated.?????

To all you non-Mormons out there, this is a Mormon belief that Moses did not die, but was taken by the Lord into heaven in his glorified, exalted state.

136 posted on 01/24/2006 3:44:53 PM PST by colorcountry (Currently not in the process of becoming a God!)
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To: Adam-ondi-Ahman

There is pretty good evidence based upon the oldest text in existence, that there has been little change in text, and even less change in anything doctrinal in the New Testament.

The Old Testament has remained very pure thanks to the scribes of the Jews, and based upon evidence contained in the dead sea scrolls, and records found in Quamran...but I'm sure you know that story.


137 posted on 01/24/2006 3:48:20 PM PST by colorcountry (Currently not in the process of becoming a God!)
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To: restornu

That was somewhat childish don't you think?


138 posted on 01/24/2006 3:49:20 PM PST by colorcountry (Currently not in the process of becoming a God!)
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To: colorcountry
Moses was translated.?????

Yes he was, as was Elijah. They both appeared to Jesus in their translated state (they were NOT exalted, but translated).
139 posted on 01/24/2006 3:49:23 PM PST by Adam-ondi-Ahman
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To: Adam-ondi-Ahman

Thanks for your correction, translated: not exalted, yet not dead....a Mormon belief.


140 posted on 01/24/2006 3:52:27 PM PST by colorcountry (Currently not in the process of becoming a God!)
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