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To: PetroniusMaximus
Yes, suffering is ordinarily necessary to obtain the Beatific Vision. It is not necessary for forgiveness. From the article:
To remove sin and its after-effects requires several things. First, friendship with God must be restored, and amends must be made for offending his wisdom and goodness: this is done by a sincere conversion of mind in a good confession to a priest. Confession removes the guilt of sin, and also removes any condemnation to eternal punishment (if mortal sin was committed).

But what about the weakness in my soul, and the damage I did to God’s creation? How are they to be removed? Confession does not do it. Pope Paul teaches that there are two ways:

“The first is by freely making reparation, which involves punishment. The second is by accepting the punishments God’s wisdom has appointed. . . . The very fact that punishment for sin exists, and that it is so severe, make it possible for us to understand how foolish and malicious sin is, and how harmful its consequences are.”

The souls who are now in purgatory are those “who died in the charity of God, were truly repentant, but who had not made satisfaction with adequate penance for their sins and omissions.”


19 posted on 01/18/2006 1:51:26 PM PST by annalex
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To: annalex

"To remove sin and its after-effects requires several things."

Hebrews 9:22
In fact, the law requires that nearly everything be cleansed with blood, and without the shedding of blood there is no forgiveness.

How were sins forgiven in the OT?

By blood alone.




"The souls who are now in purgatory are those “who died in the charity of God, were truly repentant, but who had not made satisfaction with adequate penance for their sins and omissions.”

Why are you trying to pay for somethiong that is freely offered???

Colossians 2:13
And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses;

Romans 3:24
Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:


38 posted on 01/18/2006 8:20:25 PM PST by PetroniusMaximus
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