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To: jude24; OrthodoxPresbyterian
OP correctly recongized that Papal Authority is the major point which still divides Protestants - magesterial Protestants, anyway - from Rome.

If Catholics are correct and salvation comes through the church and the sacraments and by works, then I have no problem with a Pope.

Sola Ecclesia Romanus might one day be your signature friend

41 posted on 01/18/2006 1:27:27 PM PST by RnMomof7 ("Sola Scriptura,Sola Christus,Sola Gratia,Sola Fide,Soli Deo Gloria)
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To: RnMomof7; OrthodoxPresbyterian; Campion; Dionysiusdecordealcis
If Catholics are correct and salvation comes through the church and the sacraments and by works, then I have no problem with a Pope

Do the Catholics say salvation comes through the sacraments? Or do they say God imparts grace through the sacraments? That's a criticial difference.

As regards justification by works, the Catholics do not teach that. They teach that works are a necessary condition for salvation, because their use of the term "salvation" is not transactional, but is a process that takes a lifetime and includes the concept of sanctification. That does not make works a necessary element to justificiation.

Sola Ecclesia Romanus might one day be your signature friend

Ex ecclesia nulla salus has a better ring to it - and the endorsement of Cyprian ;-). But you mistake me. Just because I have found greater common ground between orthodox Roman Catholics and orthodox Reformed Christianity than you have found does not mean I ever intend to convert to Roman Catholicism. There are still too many deal-breakers. But, I go where the text tells me too, I read and cite as authority the Early Church Fathers and the ecumenical councils, and I subject myself to the authority of the Church Magisterium. I am a Magesterial Protestant. I define the Church more broadly than the Catholics, but still subject myself to its authority.

You mistake me as a Magesterial Protestant as showing precursors to conversion to Catholicism. I assure you that is not likely to happen.

44 posted on 01/18/2006 1:47:17 PM PST by jude24 ("Thy law is written on the hearts of men, which iniquity itself effaces not." - St. Augustine)
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