Ken Ham has it straight. Lots of holes in Hugh Ross's ideas.
Ross argues that Augustine made a mistake and took nearly everyone afterwards with him in concluding that God operates outside of space and time. Instead, Ross insists that God must operate within space and time, which necessitates the additional dimensions. Ross’s claims on this matter seems to suggest that God is somehow confined by time. Of course God can operate in or out of time as He chooses, so why would He confine Himself to operate within one of His own creations? Even a self-described Ross-supporter, the philosopher/apologist William Lane Craig, has severely criticised Ross’s teachings on this:
‘… I have been mystified by evangelicals’ apparently uncritical acquiescence to some of the positions advocated in this book [Ref. 4].
‘… I find his attempt to construe God as existing in hyperdimensions of time and space and to interpret Christian doctrines in that light to be both philosophically and theologically unacceptable.’ 30
I don't think Ross really understands as much about science as he claims to, and hardly anything at all about the Bible.
Ross also claimed that the Pacific Ocean basin is the scar left from when the moon was formed by separation from the earth. That is a very old idea that was discarded decades ago. Today, the Pacific Ocean basin is explained entirely by plate tectonics. These blunders and outdated ideas are inexcusable for a scientist. That is ironic, because Ross often dismisses his creationist critics for supposedly not having the credentials to adequately understand science.
Is this even Biblical? I see nothing in Genesis about something coliding into the earth and making a moon. I mean heck, wouldn't this maybe mess up the plants and everything God created? Heck, it couldve tossed up so much dirt and dust, it couldve blocked out the light and killed the plants. It wouldve had to have some impact on the environment. It really makes me go "huh?"
Use to, people would argue about 6 days taking too long. "Why would God take 6 days? He is God, He could do it in a day!"
Ross makes God seem CLumsy. God could simply put a moon in the sky next to the Earth. Why would God create all these plants and stuff then have an object run into the Earth AFTER GOD created all the plants, just to create a Moon?
SOme things Ross states are just ridiculous. I took physics in college. I think Ross talks over people's head and they just agree with him. Thing is HIS science disagrees with what GOD tells us through the Bible. DO you really believe there was a pre-adamic race? Where does the BIBLE say this? There are no facts even in science of a pre-adamic race. Heck, if people lived 900 years like the bible says the did, any dental student will tell you over time their face will look very different. I believe every human skeleton found has Carbon in it. If you can carbon date something, its not more than about 40000 years old. ANd even then, you have to assume the ratios of c14 to c12 are the same now as they were years ago, or it throws off you calculations of age. And what about fossils Trilobites found next to human footprints? ANd did you know scientists say Trilobites, one of the first organisms ever, had the most sophisticated eyes? Dinosaur fossils found with BLOOD still in them? COme on now. If Dinosaurs really went extinct milions of years ago,do you really expect to find BLOOD in one?
This is just insanity.
I'd like to see that.
Try again.
Ross' books clearly detail the God is not confined by time, but he obviously often operates in time because man is bound by time. Physics has proven there are dimensions beyond our own. Craig's critisims were based on misunderstandings and were answered in the second edition of Ross' book "Beyond the Cosmos." But of course the folks at Ken Ham Inc never told you that.
"Ross also claimed that the Pacific Ocean basin is the scar left from when the moon was formed by separation from the earth. That is a very old idea that was discarded decades ago. Today, the Pacific Ocean basin is explained entirely by plate tectonics."
Try again. Many still believe the Moon was seperated from the Earth and that plate movements don't explain it all. Talk about blunders, where have you been? YECs like Ken Ham denied plate tectonics until a few years ago. He still pretends that the plates moved in a few years. Talk about idiocy.
Try reading the Bible again. It doesn't say anything about black holes, supernova, atoms and about a thousand other scientific things. Furthermore, Moon creation is dated before life. So much for "huh?"
No, YECS make God seem stupid, and YECS don't read their bible. God is independent of time so "days" is meaningless to him. But he created the universe over time to give man ample evidence that God did it. How would he do that if it were only a few days? Make the world seem old and lie to people?
Yes, science says there were preAdam races. Where've you been? Obviously reading the substandard, pseudoscience that Ken Ham & Co put out. Sorry, but their "science" is up there with Darwinian Fundamentalism and Flat Earthism.
"If Dinosaurs really went extinct milions of years ago,do you really expect to find BLOOD in one?"
Actually, yes, it can happen. See http://www.evidence.info/youngearth/dinoblood.html
But obviously the YEC HQ didn't fill you in on that part of the story.
I'm not sure why the "Christians" over there at Ken Ham Inc feel the need to decieve, supress evidence,etc. If you actually study science or read what Hugh Ross writes, you wonder how Ken Ham & Co. can sleep at night with all that trash they put out. That is insanity.
Troll.