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To: Gamecock; Frumanchu; P-Marlowe; Buggman; jude24

Reading between the lines, I think you just agreed that God knows everything without exception.

What is so fearful about that question to you guys? Just answer it and get it behind you.


52 posted on 01/16/2006 11:36:46 AM PST by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It!)
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To: xzins; Gamecock; Frumanchu; P-Marlowe; Buggman; jude24
God inhabits eternity where there is no past, present or future.

This discussion hinges on our understanding of eternity. This is how Calvinism and Arminianism can both be right and wrong. They confuse perspectives. These doctrines were formulated before mankind could conceive of eternity. Now we know better. Be careful not to confuse immortality/ everlasting life with the eternalness of God. There are two perspectives:

1. Inhabiting eternity (Outside time) - Only the Father, Son and Holy Spirit can claim never having been created, therefore not subject to time *Omniscient*. (Jesus chose to see reality from our perspective during His earthly ministry [Mar 13:32], thus completely relying on the Father as a perfect example to us). (Satan and the Angels cannot escape time or else they would be omniscient).

2. Within created time - From our perspective God has foreknowledge because our free-will choices are known to Him from eternity. Jesus didn't know the day or the hour because when He spoke Mar 13:32 He was within created time.

The Bible is written to help us understand things from within time, giving only glimpses of God's eternal perspective. Therein lies the confusion.

Mar 13:32 But of that day and [that] hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels which are in heaven, neither the Son, but the Father.

Dan 12:4 But thou, O Daniel, shut up the words, and seal the book, [even] to the time of the end: many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall be increased.

131 posted on 01/17/2006 10:49:17 AM PST by bondserv (God governs our universe and has seen fit to offer us a pardon. †)
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