[jude24]

I misread nothing, let alone distorted anything. You said, "The fact is that if you come to Christ you are a winner. Do you deny that? You have been chosen by Christ." There is only one way to construe that quote - that you are a winner because you come to Christ, and that you have been chosen because you are a winner.

I misconstrued nothing. I have no antipathy towards Cassianianism or Wesleyanism, but this goes well-beyond either moderate non-Calvinist viewpoint. This attributes election to someone's "winner-ness," and is the sine qua non of Pelagianism.

(You will note that I have carefully never called you - nor Chuck Smith a Pelagian. I don't believe either you nor he are for a minute. But your statement is undeniably Pelagian - the real thing.)

[xzins]

To repeat a question posed in the past:

Is there any point at which GOD did not know everything? If there is, then that god is not GOD.