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To: RnMomof7; topcat54
I heard it preached on a "good friday" that what Jesus was doing was asking God to permit them/ allow to murder him.

Since he was already nailed to the cross, I would think that would be kind of redundant.

Among about 50 others it is the same word that is used in the following verse:

1Jo 1:9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

So if we are going to allow that the sin was not actually forgiven from the cross, then we cannot state with any certainty that our sin will be forgiven if we place our faith in Christ and follow his commands.

Christ's call for forgiveness for those who put him on the cross was unconditional. Is the forgiveness that you received in Christ any more conditional? It's the same word.

Christ forgave sins unconditionally before the cross? Will those people for whom he forgave their sins be accountable for them at the judgment? I don't think so. Do you? Really?

215 posted on 01/13/2006 12:29:26 PM PST by P-Marlowe
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To: P-Marlowe

The bible states that the mustard seed is the smallest (least of all seeds and less than all seeds that be in the earth). Clearly we know that there are smaller seeds than mustard seeds.


217 posted on 01/13/2006 2:07:28 PM PST by joesbucks
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To: P-Marlowe; RnMomof7
1Jo 1:9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

So if we are going to allow that the sin was not actually forgiven from the cross, then we cannot state with any certainty that our sin will be forgiven if we place our faith in Christ and follow his commands.

Yes we can. The text says, "If we confess our sin ..." There was no unilateral pardon from the cross. A person must realize their sin in order to receive the forgiveness offered in Christ. If they died in their sin without Jesus Christ as Savior, then that sin was also credited to their account.

"... if you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you will be saved." (Rom. 10:9)

219 posted on 01/13/2006 2:45:55 PM PST by topcat54
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To: P-Marlowe; topcat54
Christ's call for forgiveness for those who put him on the cross was unconditional. Is the forgiveness that you received in Christ any more conditional? It's the same word.
Christ forgave sins unconditionally before the cross? Will those people for whom he forgave their sins be accountable for them at the judgment? I don't think so. Do you? Really?

We have to keep in mind that Jesus did not come to judge the world the 1st time, He came to save it. When He comes again He will be judge.

PM we are born deserving Hell, men are not going to be condemned because they committed a sin and therefore deserve hell, they will be condemned because they did not repent and come to the cross in faith. So even if that sin was not laid to their charge, they stood would stand condemned without Christ.

Every person that attends the banquet supper of the lamb will have nailed Christ to that cross, that will be covered only by the righteousness of Christ.

So wether they will be held accountable for that one sin at the final judgment will be the least of their concerns if they did not come to Christ before their last breath .

223 posted on 01/13/2006 3:38:14 PM PST by RnMomof7 ("Sola Scriptura,Sola Christus,Sola Gratia,Sola Fide,Soli Deo Gloria)
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