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To: justshutupandtakeit
Judas could not forgive himself apparently.

No, I believe he could not. When you have betrayed your God, what recourse do you have?

In modern Christianity, it is generally believed that one must forgive themselves to receive Gods forgiveness. Perhaps this is true.

Still, God is our Maker. It is He who decides who enters heaven. Only He knows and can give true justice to any man.

15 posted on 01/12/2006 8:33:21 AM PST by EequalsMC2
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To: EequalsMC2

Here are Jesus's words in reference to Judas... I'd like to see the Monsignor's response to them :

" Jesus said, "Truly I tell you, one of you will betray me, one who is eating with me. They began to be distressed and to say to him one after another, 'Surely, not I?' He said to them, 'It is one of the twelve, one who is dipping bread into the bowl with me. For the Son of Man goes as it is written of him, but woe to that one by whom the Son of Man is betrayed! It would have been better for that one not to have been born.' "

(Mark 14:17-21)

When it was evening, he took his place with the twelve; and while they were eating, he said, "Truly I tell you, one of you will betray me." And they became greatly distressed and began to say to him one after another, "Surely not I, Lord?" He answered, "The one who has dipped his hand into the bowl with me will betray me. The Son of Man goes as it is written of him, but woe to that one by whom the Son of Man is betrayed! It would have been better for that one not to have been born." Judas, who betrayed him, said, "Surely not I, Rabbi?" He replied, "You have said so."

(Matthew 26:20-25)


But see, the one who betrays me is with me, and his hand is on the table. For the Son of Man is going as it has been determined, but woe to that one by whom he is betrayed!" Then they began to ask one another, which one of them it could be who would do this."
(Luke 22:22-23)



Jesus answered them, "Did I not choose you, the twelve? Yet one of you is a devil." He was speaking of Judas son of Simon Iscariot, for he, though one of the twelve, was going to betray him.

(John 6:70-71)

How about it Monsginor ?


16 posted on 01/12/2006 8:40:48 AM PST by SirLinksalot
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To: EequalsMC2

This would be one problem I have with the Catholic thinking....that it is up to the Vatican to "rehabiltate" and "forgive" Judas. Just a 'lil gesture to show remorse for past anti-semiticism?

Especially when over the centuries there have been so many Catholics who have been made to feel guilt over the sin and exclusion from heaven (not to mention being denied burial in hallowed ground) of their loved ones who committed suicide ... without even throwing in the betrayal of Jesus. Are they all going to be rehabbed and re-buried too?

Ironically, wasn't Judas be the only apostle who died Jewish .... and not Catholic?


19 posted on 01/12/2006 8:47:41 AM PST by silverleaf (Fasten your seat belts- it's going to be a BUMPY ride.)
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To: EequalsMC2
In modern Christianity, it is generally believed that one must forgive themselves to receive Gods forgiveness. Perhaps this is true.

Uhhh. do what? Are you spouting the gospel according to the book of Daniel?

I think the way it works is that if GOD can forgive us our sins, who are we to not forgive ourselves, and to keep beating ourselves up after penitence and absolution.

It's a subtle difference, but essential.

222 posted on 01/13/2006 3:09:05 PM PST by Flavius Josephus (Ahmedi-nijad: Make Your Time.)
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