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To: magisterium
Funny how, while it's true that the Church has never defined that any particular person is in Hell, there is solid scriptural evidence for only one man in the NT to be "extremely likely" to be there. That man is Judas Iscariot.

Not only the Scriptures but the Liturgy speak of Judas being in hell. The point is irrefutable. The Scriptures also speak of the damnation of other specific sinners, such as Core and his followers.

Even if Judas had to spend a bazillion years in Purgatory,

Why does this always get brought up? Judas committed several mortal sins, and when given the impulse of grace to repent, instead chose to heap up his sins with fresh new ones by committing suicide. Sinners cannot be forgiven after death. Purgatory is not a place of forgiveness but of penitence and purification.

The notion of Judas in Purgatory is an implicit endorsement of the Apokatastasis.

I can't believe the Vatican would be so silly as to waste time on such a project.

The Vatican is full of modernists who trip over themselves to bow down and kiss the feet of the extreme liberal Jews at B'nai Brith and the ADL and the like. If some wing-nut non-Orthodox Jews are offended at the whole concept of traditional Catholic piety surrounding Judas and start to make a stink over it, undoubtedly there will be some pseudo-Catholics in the Vatican beating the drums for a "study" or "dialogue" to better "understand" his fate, and "apologize" for the Church "misrepresenting" Judas for all these years.

17 posted on 01/12/2006 12:17:52 PM PST by Hermann the Cherusker
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To: Hermann the Cherusker

What are you talking about in the reference to Purgatory? You misinterpret what I said. The reference was hypothetical and put there for contrast to what should have been the obvious slant of my post. I have little doubt that Judas is in Hell. Mainly, this is based on the words of Christ in Matthew 26, but there are other reasons, as you alluded to yourself.

And I do believe that I am entirely on-board with regard to the nature and purpose of Purgatory... To the extent that there is a hypothetical possibility that Judas went there, it would be because of repentance *before* his death, not "forgiveness" after. I don't think that was even implied.


21 posted on 01/12/2006 1:32:53 PM PST by magisterium
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