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To: P-Marlowe; Cyrano
So it's kinda personal with you, huh? Did you submit to the authority of your pastor? When you found out that you could not submit to the authority of your pastor, did you sew dissention or did you leave?

When the pastor is disenfranchising godly men who challenge him to support his positons from scriptures (very gently and respectfully) is he a pastor at all?

Cyrano might have more to say regarding this since he was punished without even being asked what was going on, in spite of having good rapport with the pastor for years. But in a nutshell, authority in a church is only extended to those who submit to the authority of the Word, from whence they derive their authority.

IN the aftermath, several upstanding men who have always been gentle and respectful with the pastor have left, because they saw me pull the curtain away from the wizard.

I may have crushed balaam's foot against the wall, for which I apologized, but my apology was not accepted until I agreed never to speak anything against the leadership in any form, ever again. There was no effort to reason with me from the Scripture.

589 posted on 01/12/2006 1:20:42 PM PST by Terriergal (Cursed be any love or unity for whose sake the Word of God must be put at stake. -- Martin Luther)
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To: Terriergal
When the pastor is disenfranchising godly men who challenge him to support his positons from scriptures (very gently and respectfully) is he a pastor at all?

Maybe not. If he cannot be removed using the bylaws of the church, then IMO that would be an indication that for me it would be time to find a new church.

There was no effort to reason with me from the Scripture.

Well, there's your answer. Praise the Lord. All things work together for good, do they not? Whatever happened at your church was ordained by God and will be used for good to those who are called according to his "purpose" will it not?

597 posted on 01/12/2006 1:31:31 PM PST by P-Marlowe
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