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To: blue-duncan

But why would you compel them with means that we are not to subscribe to? It ends up becoming a hoax. Nothing more than carnival barkers and midway hawkers.

Compel them to come in, yes, but to attend the Word and worship of God, not satisfy their fleshly appetites under a veneer of sanctification.

It appeals to the flesh, not the spirit.

The adultress of Proverbs 7 also "compels" people to come in, but she's offering an entirely different menu.

Being sanctified by the spirit means just that - set apart. Christ dined with tax collectors and prostitutes, but not to affirm their lifestyle or appeal to their desires. He told them the truth and ministered to them, calling them, he didn't justify their worldliness by giving them MORE worldliness.


329 posted on 01/11/2006 11:15:01 AM PST by ItsOurTimeNow ("Hail Him who saved you by His grace, and crown Him Lord of All")
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To: ItsOurTimeNow

Why would you call the worship songs being written today worldly? The people writing them are just as sincere about their faith as those that wrote the hymns of the turn of the century. They are using their musical gifts to glorify God and participate in worship just as the organists and pianist still do. Why would you deny them their opportunity to present their offering of the gifts God gave them in worship because it is a different gift than you have or their tastes are different. God gives the gifts severally as He wills and we are to receive them joyfully.


330 posted on 01/11/2006 11:24:21 AM PST by blue-duncan
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To: ItsOurTimeNow
Christ dined with tax collectors and prostitutes, but not to affirm their lifestyle or appeal to their desires. He told them the truth and ministered to them, calling them, he didn't justify their worldliness by giving them MORE worldliness.

I find it interesting that he never called himself the friend of sinners. He said "you are my friends if you do what I command." In that same section he says "I no LONGER call you servants" So apparently he did have that kind of 'relationship' with them at one point. Jesus was not a teddy bear who made everyone feel good about themselves. Least of all those who thought they were OK in their sin - both closet sinners, the pharisees, and blatant sinners. It was those who were heartbroken about their sin that he reached. And only those.

He said "they say, "Look, a glutton and a winebibber, a friend of tax collectors and sinners!'"

I have not called Rick warren any of those things. I have criticized his teaching and the words he speaks publicly. I applaud his concern for the downtrodden. That should be part of our mission and it should flow naturally from our knowledge of Scripture. But Rick puts the cart before the horse thinking that if we just are loving to someone that's enough, it doesn't matter if we tell them the truth or not. The biggest part of love IS telling the truth, even when it is uncomfortable, because only by truth can anyone really 'get their lives fixed' (for lack of a better way to say it) and get their eternity taken care of. And only by truth can God be glorified, which is the main thing.

If the truth of the message is lost (which I contend it has been, at least in his publicly available teachings), the concern for the downtrodden really means nothing in light of eternity. Faithfulness to Christ comes first, and from that comes all our mission.

478 posted on 01/12/2006 10:24:19 AM PST by Terriergal (Cursed be any love or unity for whose sake the Word of God must be put at stake. -- Martin Luther)
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