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To: blue-duncan

The context of the verse is Christ praying to God the Father for those who "belong to Him". In other words, the saved.

We are IN the world, but we are not to be OF it. We are claled to preach to the lost everywhere, but not in a worldly, fleshly, temporal fashion.

Luring the masses into church with espresso, thumping bass drums, and a rave atmosphere is pursuading people by appealing to fleshly desires. It's the same bait n' switch technique that used car salesmen employ.

"If you have been raised with Christ, seek the things that are above, where Christ is, at the right hand of God. Set your minds on things that are above, not on things that are on earth. For you have died, and your life is hidden with Christ in God." Col 3:1-3


326 posted on 01/11/2006 10:35:58 AM PST by ItsOurTimeNow ("Hail Him who saved you by His grace, and crown Him Lord of All")
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To: ItsOurTimeNow

"Luring the masses into church with espresso, thumping bass drums, and a rave atmosphere is pursuading people by appealing to fleshly desires"

Another way of putting it is to compel them to come in to the banquet so God's house will be full and then they can be fed.


327 posted on 01/11/2006 10:48:33 AM PST by blue-duncan
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To: ItsOurTimeNow

God created and loves the physical world. We, like Christ, are both spiritual AND physical. And both are good.

This thread is fhe first place I've heard it, but I agree with the concept of identifying peoples "felt needs". It is what Jesus did every time he healed someone.


333 posted on 01/11/2006 11:44:28 AM PST by RobRoy
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To: ItsOurTimeNow
Luring the masses into church with espresso, thumping bass drums, and a rave atmosphere is pursuading people by appealing to fleshly desires.

Much in common with the preachers on TBN. "show your faith by supporting my ministry and God will"

A. "heal you" B. "make you happy" C. "give you lots of money" D. "make your marriage better" E. all of the above.

As another giant church pastor writes "his best lie yet."

475 posted on 01/12/2006 10:08:58 AM PST by Terriergal (Cursed be any love or unity for whose sake the Word of God must be put at stake. -- Martin Luther)
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