The quote you used was not mine??
I was "in charge" of his church growth program at a former church, I found it ungodly and carnal .
It relies on the ways of man not God to build the church.
That is simply my observation.
Correct. It was not your quote. It was from the article.
I'm pretty much in favor of any moral program that gets the gospel out to others or gets others in to hear the gospel.
EXACTLY !!!! It's all Rick and his seeker sensitive gimmicks.....no Holy Spirit.
It saddens me to see how many people have fallen in line behind him.
There are so many things he has said that should send up red flags, but it seems he has dazzled many away from discernment.
hey lady, I've missed ya! I totally agree. It is manmade. "oh Holy Spirit, you're not being very effective... let's come up with some 'tools' to facilitate your influence.'
The SHAPE program (pretty much any spiritual gift 'survey' course included) is a farce IMO. Tell me which Bible character was used for his natural talents or what he thought he was good at?
ditto