I'm not sure if you're agreeing with M-the-WD or being sarcastic. I wasn't impressed by those quotes. Those quotes do give me pause.
Oh dear. I didn't mean to leave any doubt. I am totally agreeing. The quotes trouble me deeply. Warren's philosphy of self is poisoning my own church right now. So far our Pastor is standing strong but he and the rest of we "resisters" are in a real battle.