Posted on 01/10/2006 10:06:56 AM PST by Terriergal
What church/denomination?
He closed for Christmas because he figured there wouldn't be enough people there?
I thought Saddleback was open, it was Willow Creek that was closed, wasn't it?
Call me unreasonable but when a pastor has a boasted 30 or 40 thousand people in his congregation, how can you know the person 10 pews down, let alone the pastor, up close and personal?
His quotes are real and those alone tell any reader what he's all about. But then again.....readers and observers who are not subject to his spell seem to see things a little more clearly.
good point. I had missed it even!
He says enough about himself publicly that he should be well understood. If he cannot communicate clearly what he means, well then... he should reconsider his calling.
Hamas is loved by many Palestinians because they are known for their service to the poor, etc. And I really don't think you want to say that what Hamas stands for is worthy. :(
It's unfortunate that he doesn't come across well when he speaks in public. Those of us who saw him every week know his heart.
"It quotes Warren as saying that "fundamentalism" is an enemy.
But it never defines what he means by fundamentalism."
That point was not lost on me either. When someone is quoted saying something that goes against what I thought the person would say, I need an explanation of what he meant when he said it. Especially when it is such a vague word.
Sandy, I will give him that he is a downright likeable guy. I have listened to his messages online. They are fun to listen to, entertaining. But that's about it. They don't encourage me to delve deeper into the Scriptures which alone have the message with the power to save and then sanctify. His messages tell me to "work more" "work harder" "give more" "do more for the church organization." To me, that's preaching works.
The rightly handled word of truth will inspire me to do those things, as God ordains. I don't need someone guilting me into it by saying "you only love God as much as you *do* to support the church." (And I have gotten that message in an easy-to-swallow format from listening to him preach his Sunday Sermons.)
I understand, and that is why I said he is a likeable guy, and why I really pray he will stop and see what he is doing. Motives alone aren't good enough. Just because a Christian thinks it doesn't make it "Christian thinking." (I am not the source of that quote, but I can't remember who is)
I thought all of the market driven churches had gotten together on being closed on Sunday, Dec. 25. If Warren opted out of the conspiracy, I'll give him credit for that.
THerefore I shall spewwww thee out of my mouth!
Your post reminded me of one of the Wisdoms of Hank Hill from the King of the Hill television program. I can't remember exactly how it went but it was something like "I don't believe in Jesus Rock. It don't make me love Jesus any better, but it sure makes me love Rock & Roll less."
Or something like that.
Saddleback didn't close. They had services on the 25th.
There are plenty of quotes and writings available from Warren himself to give you the framework. But check post #13 where the work has been done for you... and that's just one sample.
Be careful of wiki-pedia on subjects like this. It's written by a bunch of homosexuals and communists, and nothing is vetted. Or so I'm told.
lol no. I saw that a lot of watered down churches *were* still open. Even the UCC church here was open! ("we take the Bible seriously, but not literally!")
I will grant that his focus has changed from when I attended. He has turned his attention outward, to the world, and I'm not comfortable with that. I wish he would choose to either turn Saddleback over to his associate pastors and take on the world, or go back to focusing on his flock.
Thanks for the correction.
"Saddleback Church in Lake Forest, which routinely draws 20,000 worshippers each Sunday, will hold one 11:15 a.m. service Christmas Day."
http://www.ocregister.com/ocregister/news/atoz/article_883525.php
Boy... ONE service? Don't they have like, thirteen services every other Sunday?
Ok... :-)
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