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To: ScratchHatch
"Do you realize what the serpent's lie was in the garden ?
Genesis 3:4 And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die:

5 For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil. "
I always thought that the serpant's lie was located in 3:4, because, as (I think) we all agree, Adam and Eve became mortal by eating the fruit.

As for 3:5, I also think that we agree that the first part was not a lie; in fact, Adam's and Eve's eyes were opened. How else did they know they were naked and hide from God? In fact, Genesis 3:7 confirms that this wasn't a lie, when it says that their eyes were opened.

Now this leads us to the second part of 3:5. First, there are two ways to look at the "and ye shall be as Gods" language. The first is that it means they will be as Gods in every sense, which seems to be your contention, and that this was a lie. However, it is just as plausible, if not moreso, to read that they will just be as Gods to the degree that they will know good and evil. If this is the true meaning, then it's just a continuation of the first half of the verse and also true, as confirmed in verse 7.

If, however, it is to be interpreted as you suggest, to mean that they will become as Gods in every sense, then how do we know this is a lie? Sure the serpant had lied about living forever, but immediately preceding this (in the same line of thought) he had told them a truth, concerning their eyes being opened. How do we know whether he was continuing to tell the truth or if he had reverted to his deceitful ways? This passage doesn't come close to proving either side, it is too fraught with ambiguity (as is much of what has been discussed here over the past couple of days).


Which is why I go to Isaiah (the prophet) ... to clarify the issue.

Here God says that there have been no other, ... neither are there any other, ... nor will there ever be any other ... Gods besides Him.

see post #297

335 posted on 01/04/2006 1:05:57 PM PST by Quester (If you can't trust Jesus, ... who can you trust ?)
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To: Quester; ScratchHatch
Which is why I go to Isaiah (the prophet) ... to clarify the issue.

Here God says that there have been no other, ... neither are there any other, ... nor will there ever be any other ... Gods besides Him.

see post #297

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There are different families of spirits which spirits are eternal and I feel the scribes did not make that clarification.

There are the Spirit children of Heavenly Father and their other spirits which are not of this Hevenly family and are lesser than this Heavenly family!

When I talk about spirits eternal meaning like Lucifer even though evil will always be in existance and so will his followers!

The spirit children of Heavenly Father are receiving instructions from Heavenly Father that there is no other only Heavely Father is the Prime Directive!

337 posted on 01/04/2006 1:29:00 PM PST by restornu (Everyone has a photographic memory some just don't have film!:)
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To: Quester

All forms of the word GODS in the Text of the Standard Works.
http://scriptures.lds.org/query?words=gods&search.x=40&search.y=8

Ex. 23: 32
32 Thou shalt make no covenant with them, nor with their gods.

Deut. 6: 14
14 Ye shall not go after other gods, of the gods of the people which are round about you;

Deut. 10: 17
17 For the LORD your God is God of gods, and Lord of lords, a great God, a mighty, and a terrible, which regardeth not persons, nor taketh reward:

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THE BOOK OF
PSALMS

PSALM 82
Thus saith the Lord: Ye are gods and children of the Most High.

Psalm of Asaph.
6 I have said, Ye are gods; and all of you are children of the most High.

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A Psalm of Asaph.
1 GOD standeth in the congregation of the mighty; he judgeth among the gods.

2 How long will ye judge unjustly, and accept the persons of the wicked? Selah.

3 Defend the poor and fatherless: do justice to the afflicted and needy.

4 Deliver the poor and needy: rid them out of the hand of the wicked.

5 They know not, neither will they understand; they walk on in darkness: all the foundations of the earth are out of course.

6 I have said, Ye are gods; and all of you are children of the most High.

7 But ye shall die like men, and fall like one of the princes.

8 Arise, O God, judge the earth: for thou shalt inherit all nations.





338 posted on 01/04/2006 1:41:42 PM PST by restornu (Everyone has a photographic memory some just don't have film!:)
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