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To: Old Mountain man
Perhaps you don't understand the meanings of We, Us and I. The first two are plural and the last is singular. The Lord refers to the first two in Genesis and the latter in Isaiah.

There is Elohim the Most High God. He is not alone. Not at all.


He is, certainly, not alone.

But there is no God outside of Him.

Certainly none that used to be men.

Do you realize what the serpent's lie was in the garden ?
Genesis 3:4 And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die:

5 For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil.

332 posted on 01/04/2006 12:40:46 PM PST by Quester (If you can't trust Jesus, ... who can you trust ?)
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To: Quester

"Do you realize what the serpent's lie was in the garden ?

Genesis 3:4 And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die:

5 For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil. "

I always thought that the serpant's lie was located in 3:4, because, as (I think) we all agree, Adam and Eve became mortal by eating the fruit.

As for 3:5, I also think that we agree that the first part was not a lie; in fact, Adam's and Eve's eyes were opened. How else did they know they were naked and hide from God? In fact, Genesis 3:7 confirms that this wasn't a lie, when it says that their eyes were opened.

Now this leads us to the second part of 3:5. First, there are two ways to look at the "and ye shall be as Gods" language. The first is that it means they will be as Gods in every sense, which seems to be your contention, and that this was a lie. However, it is just as plausible, if not moreso, to read that they will just be as Gods to the degree that they will know good and evil. If this is the true meaning, then it's just a continuation of the first half of the verse and also true, as confirmed in verse 7.

If, however, it is to be interpreted as you suggest, to mean that they will become as Gods in every sense, then how do we know this is a lie? Sure the serpant had lied about living forever, but immediately preceding this (in the same line of thought) he had told them a truth, concerning their eyes being opened. How do we know whether he was continuing to tell the truth or if he had reverted to his deceitful ways? This passage doesn't come close to proving either side, it is too fraught with ambiguity (as is much of what has been discussed here over the past couple of days).


334 posted on 01/04/2006 12:52:20 PM PST by ScratchHatch
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To: Quester

Genesis 1:26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.

I realize that unless you twist the plain language the Lord uses, you have to admit that either He was talking to someone else or is insane. I prefer to believe that God is not insane. You may believe whatever you wish.


340 posted on 01/04/2006 2:26:00 PM PST by Old Mountain man (Extremism in defense of liberty is no vice!)
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