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To: teancumspirit
Sweetie pie, thanks for the Benneton ad philosophy, but this Mormon debate in this country goes way back, back before Brigham Young declared war on the United States in 1859, to the real reason that the townsfolk rose up in anger against Joseph Smith and had him killed.

We are only free in this country and on FR because of Christ and Christianity's civilizing influence on history. So don't stifle open debate with some Rodney King-ish can't we all just get along? Iron sharpens iron. It is good to know what we believe and evidence it here on a marketplace of ideas -- FR. (Lord knows the MSM wouldn't even know how to keep up with our discussion.)
268 posted on 01/03/2006 5:39:42 PM PST by Californiajones ("The apprehension of beauty is the cure for apathy" - Thomas Aquinas)
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To: Californiajones

Son, if you knew as much about mormon history ( or history in general ) as you think you do. You would know the dates that Joseph was killed and the date you speak of in regards to Brigham Young were several years apart. Joseph Smith Was killed in june of 1844. How could what Brigham Young did in 1854 mean anything. Also Utah was not even a state in the U.S. and the U.S. was not even sure they wanted it. Joesph was killed in the town of Nauvoo Ill, which at the time was the largest town in the area, aprox 20,000 people. I could go on, get your facts, and then lets talk. Let us agree to disagree as you and I will never see eye to eye on this, We should both join forces to fight our comen enemy, if you do not know who that is, then maybe your in the wrong place. God Bless


272 posted on 01/03/2006 5:58:43 PM PST by teancumspirit (The name is pronounced Te'anc'um Spirit A Nephite, A Warrior, a man who gave his all)
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To: Californiajones

I would wholeheartedly agree with you if this were a religious debate thread. It isn't. It is a sad announcement of the death of a noble young man and injury to another who were seeking to building the Kingdom of God on the earth. There is a time and a place for everything (read Ecclesiastes lately?) and the reactions of most here are because you are seeking to turn it into not just a theological debate but a forum to bash a sect. That shows almost as much class as the Westboro Baptist Church in Kansas showing up at servicemen's funerals to debate acceptance of homosexuals in America. They, too, believe they have a valuable message to impart and they, too, don't much care who is harmed in the process. To those who want to debate beliefs, start another thread.


275 posted on 01/03/2006 6:02:42 PM PST by caseinpoint (Don't get thickly involved in thin things.)
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