[frgoff]

What sects require Baptism when Jesus Himself said to the (unbaptized) thief on the cross "Today you shall be with me in paradise"?

Who said the thief on the cross was unbaptized? Do you have a version of the Bible no one else does?

BTW, baptists require it, thus the name of the denomination.

A sinner's prayer is not a "work".

It's something you have to do, therefore, it is a work. Simply saying it isn't doesn't mean anything.

Doing what God tells you to do is a "work" but salvation does not rest upon it.

That's called cheap grace, and just about every Protestant preacher out there condemns it as a false and heretical teaching.

[Californiajones]

Wearing holy undergarments, I guess, is a work, too.

I think if God wanted us to baptism to be the requirement for salvation, He in His wisdom would have made it clear that the thief on the cross was indeed baptized.

BTW, I've heard Baptists do not consider it to be important to salvation, only as free will proof in front of living witnesses that your life has been changed from sin to salvation by Jesus.

Well, grace is grace. If you disdain it or hold it cheap, so will God.

[JaRon R]

wow this thread has become exciting. Too bad the mormons are winning this debate. I now see why they have so many conversions each year.

the mormons, I suppose they are mormons, come back with some pretty good answers, which some I don't understand but such is life. the response they get is is just a switching of arguments, which usually returns to previous arguments for that the mormons already had good answers for. I'm sorry but it seems like you guys are just swimming while the mormons are standing on solid ground in thier responses. looks like you need to be trained better in your mormon bashing.

by the way, frgoff, I'm Baptist,and have never been officially baptized. several Baptist denominations don't really baptize anymore.

God bless all and especailly the families of those involved in this tragedy,

JaRon R.