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To: Quester; Kolokotronis
1 Corinthians 3:11-15

That's a good description of what happens in purgatory. One shall "suffer as by fire". I don't see ANYONE suffering in heaven, brother... These verses are not talking about "losing rewards". They are talking about the purging fire that will cleanse away any remaining impurities - for nothing impure shall enter heaven.

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8,357 posted on 06/10/2006 4:27:38 PM PDT by jo kus (There is nothing colder than a Christian who doesn't care for the salvation of others - St.Crysostom)
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To: jo kus
1 Corinthians 3:11-15

That's a good description of what happens in purgatory. One shall "suffer as by fire". I don't see ANYONE suffering in heaven, brother... These verses are not talking about "losing rewards". They are talking about the purging fire that will cleanse away any remaining impurities - for nothing impure shall enter heaven.


My point was not that any would suffer in heaven.

I agree that God will parent His children to fitness for heaven ... whether in their earthly lives ... or beyond.

But my point was that it was not a preposterous idea that ... men/women shall be rewarded for their good works ... and that that reward is beyond salvation itself.

For the child that suffers loss is saved also ... but does not receive the aforementioned reward.

P.S. I find not one translation of the passage which is rendered ... suffers as by fire.

Each of a dozen translations I can find all say that such a one shall suffer loss, ... but is, himself, saved, ... as by fire.

8,360 posted on 06/10/2006 5:39:08 PM PDT by Quester
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To: jo kus; Quester

"1 Corinthians 3:11-15

That's a good description of what happens in purgatory. One shall "suffer as by fire". I don't see ANYONE suffering in heaven, brother... These verses are not talking about "losing rewards". They are talking about the purging fire that will cleanse away any remaining impurities - for nothing impure shall enter heaven."

Its also exemplified by this from Discourse 78 of +Symeon the New Theologian:

"Do not deceive yourself. God is fire and when He came into the world, and became man, He sent fire on the earth, as He Himself says; this fire turns about searching to find material — that is a disposition and an intention that is good — to fall into and to kindle; and for those in whom this fire will ignite, it becomes a great flame, which reaches Heaven. ... this flame at first purifies us from the pollution of passions and then it becomes in us food and drink and light and joy, and renders us light ourselves because we participate in His light."

Of course, the East, having a somewhat different concept of what happens after death of the body, doesn't embrace the idea of purgatory.


8,361 posted on 06/10/2006 5:41:06 PM PDT by Kolokotronis (Christ is Risen, and you, o death, are annihilated!)
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