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To: Forest Keeper; kosta50; annalex; 1000 silverlings; Kolokotronis
BTW, is every jot and tittle of the Bible settled in interpretation in your Church? I doubt it. What do you do for interpretation when the Church has not ruled on an issue?

No, that is not necessary. The Church only 'rules' on such matters when heretics come forward and teach something that doesn't match the Faith. Thank God for the Church, as we'd never know the truth...

Since the Holy Spirit does not speak to you as a layman

How sad. You continue to ignore posts from us that speak the opposite. The Spirit speaks to individuals during Scritpure reading! But He doesn't do it AGAINST the Church's teachings, because the Spirit was given to protect the Church, not individuals.

I have said before that I think that the Apostles taught correctly. After that, it's anyone's guess

What basis do you use to say that the Apostles taught correctly, but "who knows after that"? Where the Apostles super geniuses? Is God unable to lead people after those 12 supermen died?

None of this saves any of them from potential corruption. Men are fallible.

Jesus made it quite clear that He chooses damaged goods to fulfill God's Will. Consider what Paul says about himself, yet, God worked powerfully AND INFALLIBLY through him.

That's what teaching FROM the Bible (or from the teachings of the Bible) is for. We support that. Baptists spend tens of millions of dollars a year sending missionaries to countries where the Bible hasn't even been translated in their language yet, or is otherwise illegal for a person to own. The teachings go forward, and we believe it is God's will. Sola Scriptura includes oral teaching.

Well, that is good that Protestants send missionaries, except that they USUALLY are sent to Catholic countries to conduct proselytism, tickling the ears with false doctrine. And if they teach what YOU have been advocating on these posts, I wonder about the "Traditions" they are learning, since it sounds like you have a "cut and paste" Scripture. Case in point is that "Baptism does not save", despite nearly ten verses I posted otherwise.

In the West, there was a concerted effort to keep the Bible inaccessible to the layman, supposedly for his own good. I don't buy it for a second.

I don't buy that the Church kept the Bible inaccessible to laymen, either.

Regards

7,872 posted on 06/06/2006 6:42:40 AM PDT by jo kus (There is nothing colder than a Christian who doesn't care for the salvation of others - St.Crysostom)
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To: jo kus; kosta50; annalex; 1000 silverlings; Kolokotronis
The Spirit speaks to individuals during Scripture reading! But He doesn't do it AGAINST the Church's teachings, because the Spirit was given to protect the Church, not individuals.

That sounds like the Spirit hears and obeys the Church. It is interesting that you say the Spirit does not protect individuals. I see the opposite idea in scriptures:

John 14:16-17 : 16 And I will ask the Father, and he will give you another Counselor to be with you forever— 17 the Spirit of truth. The world cannot accept him, because it neither sees him nor knows him. But you know him, for he lives with you and will be in you.

Rom. 8:9 : You, however, are controlled not by the sinful nature but by the Spirit, if the Spirit of God lives in you. And if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he does not belong to Christ.

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What basis do you use to say that the Apostles taught correctly, but "who knows after that"? Where the Apostles super geniuses? Is God unable to lead people after those 12 supermen died?

Clearly they were not super geniuses. :) The Apostles were transformed at Pentecost. We know what they were like before and after, night and day. It's clear to me that they all received special grace that I presume included correct teaching for God and not for themselves. ... Yes, God is able to lead people after the Apostles died, we strongly disagree on the results of Him doing that.

Jesus made it quite clear that He chooses damaged goods to fulfill God's Will. Consider what Paul says about himself, yet, God worked powerfully AND INFALLIBLY through him.

That is certainly true, however I have no faith whatsoever that God works through today's Catholic hierarchy in any comparable way that He worked through Paul.

Well, that is good that Protestants send missionaries, except that they USUALLY are sent to Catholic countries to conduct proselytism, tickling the ears with false doctrine.

I can't speak for other Protestant churches, but our missionary trips are to places like Eritrea, our last big one. We also sponsor other Baptists who have gone to Sudan. There may be no more dangerous a place on earth for a Christian to be. Everything has to be done underground. Communications are filled with code to protect themselves and the people they are witnessing to. These folks are not looking for Catholics. :) In fact, after any mission trip in our church there is an after-report to the whole church. Not a single time have I ever heard anything like "... and then I met this Catholic and after talking to him, he converted." That just isn't in the picture at all, at least for us.

8,145 posted on 06/08/2006 6:21:23 AM PDT by Forest Keeper
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