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To: jo kus; Dr. Eckleburg
it doesn't say that Abraham had any Righteousness imputed to him for it! Being made righteous = being justified. In either case, the person is pleasing in God's eyes. Abraham obeyed God in Gen.12, but he still had not believed in God Really? He didn't believe in God? He picked up his entire family and property in his well-to-do lifestyle at Ur and traveled to the middle of the desert - because why again??? BY FAITH. In WHOM? In God. That's what the Scriptures say in Hebrews. Think about it for a second. People don't do that because they woke up one day and said to themselves "hey, let's move the entire family, lock, stock, and barrel, to the middle of the desert. As a desert dweller myself, that isn't something you do lightly...

The Scriptures say that Righteousness was not imputed to Abraham until Gen.15:6.

Now, show where any righteousness is imputed to Abraham before that.

Men have obeyed God without being saved (Cyrus)

Well, if you are not impressed with the Scofield note, how about the Roman Catholic NAS note? What version is that? I never heard of a "NAS" Catholic version... As to the footnotes, I never said we are saved by works! You read into my posts because you think all Catholics believe in salvation by works without giving me a chance by reading what I write...I said we are NOT SAVED BY FAITH ALONE! If you have no works, your "faith" is not going to save you. Works alone are worthless. Faith alone is worthless. The only thing that matters is faith working in love...Gal 5:6 Faith is the root from which good works grow out of, but good works add nothing to salvation, they only show it. Jesus Christ is the root in which faith AND works grow from. Faith is not the vine...Christ's abiding love within us enables us to have a "working faith". Now, would a bible with a picture of a Pope on the cover mislead you? Not willingly. But as I said, I don't disagree with the notes you posted from this book.

Well, the note in the NAB bible is stating that salvation has nothing to do with works, only that salvation will produce works.

Works cannot be mixed with faith for salvation.

Nor, is a man being saved, he is saved and produces good works that show it.

Your view of salvation is a process that is an incorrect one, being born again is an event that occurs when you trust in Christ and his work on the Cross.

After you become a new creature in Christ (2Cor.5:17) then you produce works through Christ (Phil.2:13).

7,685 posted on 06/03/2006 10:39:17 AM PDT by fortheDeclaration (Am I therefore become your enemy because I tell you the truth? (Gal.4:16))
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To: fortheDeclaration
Works cannot be mixed with faith for salvation.

Nor, is a man being saved, he is saved and produces good works that show it.

You are again ignoring Scriptures.

"so faith, if it does not have works, is dead in and of itself" James 2:17.

Are you saying that dead faith saves?

"Moreover, brothers, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received and in which ye stand; by which also ye are being saved if ye retain the word that I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain" 1 Cor 15:1-2

BEING SAVED - to Christians!

"Is any sick among you? let him call for the elders of the church; and let them pray for him, anointing him with oil in the name of the Lord; and the prayer of faith shall cause the one who is sick to be saved, and the Lord shall raise him up" James 5:14-15 TO BE SAVED - to Christians ALREADY saved!

There are others, but you get the message. Salvation is a process that doesn't end when you proclaim your faith in God on May 17, 1993. People fall away, even after making such a proclamation, thus, the proclamation itself doesn't save. It is our continuous perseverance in following Christ and becoming more like Him.

Regards

7,719 posted on 06/04/2006 8:52:23 AM PDT by jo kus (There is nothing colder than a Christian who doesn't care for the salvation of others - St.Crysostom)
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