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To: Forest Keeper; kosta50; jo kus; HarleyD; George W. Bush; blue-duncan; stripes1776; Agrarian

"So, the only issue to me is when do the elect actually become aware that they are of the elect. This does not happen at Baptism, especially at infant Baptism. It happens at the point of true belief."

Interesting observation. The Fathers spoke about this point here and there. Here's what +Diadochos of Photiki wrote in his "on Spiritual Knowledge, #77":

"From the instant we are baptized, grace is hidden in the depths of the intellect, concealing its presence even from the perception of the intellect itself. When someone begins, however, to love God with full resolve, then in a mysterious way, by means of intellectual perception, grace communicates something of its riches to his soul. Then, if he really wants to hold fast to this discovery, he joyfully starts longing to be rid of all his temporal goods, so as to acquire the field in which he has found the hidden treasure of life (cf. Matt. 13:44). This is because, when someone rids himself of all worldly riches, he discovers the place where the grace of God is hidden. For as the soul advances, divine grace more and more reveals itself to the intellect."


7,447 posted on 05/31/2006 2:32:25 PM PDT by Kolokotronis (Christ is Risen, and you, o death, are annihilated!)
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To: Kolokotronis; kosta50; jo kus; HarleyD; George W. Bush; blue-duncan; stripes1776; Agrarian
[relating to when the elect become aware they are of the elect:] The Fathers spoke about this point here and there. Here's what +Diadochos of Photiki wrote in his "on Spiritual Knowledge, #77":

"... This is because, when someone rids himself of all worldly riches, he discovers the place where the grace of God is hidden [within the person at Baptism]. For as the soul advances, divine grace more and more reveals itself to the intellect."

That's pretty interesting. I've never thought of it in terms of actually having the grace already, and not knowing it. I suppose the "trigger mechanism" would have to be important. I will surely give this some thought. Thanks for posting.

7,597 posted on 06/02/2006 4:53:24 AM PDT by Forest Keeper
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