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To: Forest Keeper; HarleyD
From God's POV the elect were accepted before they were born, so God is not making any decisions as to what to do with us in real time, IMO. So, the only issue to me is when do the elect actually become aware that they are of the elect. This does not happen at Baptism, especially at infant Baptism. It happens at the point of true belief. At that time there is a Spiritual Baptism, which is ceremonially recreated in the water Baptism, later...So in truth the guarantee doesn't happen at the point of belief and repentance, but the elect's knowledge of the guarantee already made becomes known to the elect at this time.

Amen and well-said, FK.

To swipe Harley's great tag in the KJV...

"Then opened he their understanding, that they might understand the scriptures -- Luke 24:45

"And when the Gentiles heard this, they were glad, and glorified the word of the Lord: and as many as were ordained to eternal life believed.

And the word of the Lord was published throughout all the region." -- Acts 13:48-49

7,421 posted on 05/31/2006 10:03:42 AM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg; HarleyD
Thank you Dr. E.! :)

"Then opened he their understanding, that they might understand the scriptures -- Luke 24:45"

"And when the Gentiles heard this, they were glad, and glorified the word of the Lord: and as many as were ordained to eternal life believed. And the word of the Lord was published throughout all the region." -- Acts 13:48-49

Amen, and infinitely better well said. :)

7,594 posted on 06/02/2006 3:06:15 AM PDT by Forest Keeper
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