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To: wmfights; Forest Keeper
"I'm only "crying" because this "high regard" detracts from Christ. Every prayer sent to Mary is one less prayer sent directly to God. It is one less chance to communicate with Him. ...

Hogwash. Both of you do this everyday. Does this mean you detract anything from God?

When you compliment someone, are you taking away God's Glory? Would I be correct for chastizing you for calling your wife pretty? For it is God who gave that person the gift of whatever you are complimenting. Are you in error for giving someone the credit for something they are not the source of? HOW DARE YOU!!!

Think common sense for a minute...When you eat a lasagna dinner, and you comment "that was the best lasagna I ever had, it was so good", does that mean that the cook receives no credit or does the lasagna take on all the credit while disregarding the cook??? Who thinks that way? Doesn't the cook accept the compliment of his creation as a compliment to HIM??

Any glory given to Mary is glory given to God - as she herself gives credit to. It is a disconnect of our everyday lives that confuses you both to make such an accusation. We understand that Mary is not a "god", but a creation, so anything we say about her reflects in her creator. Don't be afraid to joyfully praise God's greatest creation.

Regards

7,167 posted on 05/25/2006 8:59:37 AM PDT by jo kus (For love is of God; and everyone that loves is born of God, and knows God. 1Jn 4:7)
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To: jo kus; Forest Keeper

"Hogwash. Both of you do this everyday. Does this mean you detract anything from God?"

Did you forget breakfast or something? I'm use to you not being on point, but now your going over the top.
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"When you compliment someone, are you taking away God's Glory?"

There is a world of difference between be complimentary of someone who has been truly blessed by GOD and building a false doctrine around that person and even ascribing supernatural powers to that person. If you have failed to see the difference mores to pity.



7,170 posted on 05/25/2006 11:15:23 AM PDT by wmfights (Lead, Follow, or Get Out Of The WAY!)
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To: jo kus; wmfights; HarleyD; Dr. Eckleburg
FK: "I'm only "crying" because this "high regard" detracts from Christ. Every prayer sent to Mary is one less prayer sent directly to God. It is one less chance to communicate with Him. ..."

Hogwash. Both of you [FK and WMF] do this everyday. Does this mean you detract anything from God?

YES, absolutely! For whatever reason, your hierarchy has instructed you that at times it is BETTER to pray for intervention from a saint than it is to pray directly to God. You have likened the prayer for intervention by a saint to asking a friend here on earth for prayer, but they are not the same at all. When I ask my friend I do not have my eyes closed and I am not in a prayerful mindset at that moment, I am usually either in casual conversation or I am participating in a time of prayer requests in preparation of being in a prayerful mindset. This is not my observance of Catholics when they "pray" for intervention.

The Bible teaches us that we are always to be in a prayerful mindset, although none of us can do it. Therefore, for whatever such moments any of us can muster, it is a fact that Catholics spend many of them directed away from God and towards dead people. Protestants spend EVERY such moment towards God. That is a big difference.

Any glory given to Mary is glory given to God - as she herself gives credit to. It is a disconnect of our everyday lives that confuses you both to make such an accusation. We understand that Mary is not a "god", but a creation, so anything we say about her reflects in her creator. Don't be afraid to joyfully praise God's greatest creation.

If any glory given to Mary is a glory given to God, then the same can be said for all the Apostles, or all the OT righteous, or all the saints, right??? In fact, by this logic, there really is no need to actually give any glory to God because He just scoops it all up in the glory we give to others, is that it? This is unbelievable. :) Why does Catholicism have SO MUCH FOCUS away from God and toward man?

Mary is God's greatest creation? Why am I not surprised that you think Mary is more important than Heaven? :)

7,293 posted on 05/29/2006 7:10:45 AM PDT by Forest Keeper
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