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To: jo kus; kosta50; Agrarian; Forest Keeper; HarleyD

Jo, I am not talking about the inner workings of the Trinity. I think I've said that before and I thought I was clear on that.

As for the Roman system crashing down, clearly it hasn't because it is held together with a type of theology which is, so we believe, at base in error. Protestantism is in error in a number areas, but that hasn't crashed down either nor has Mohammadenism.

"I don't see how pursuing this avenue of theology will make one more humble, more holy, or to abide in Christ."

But indeed it has, for a couple of thousand years in the East. What you seem to posit is a systematic theology which requires a submission, even of the Fathers, to the Magisterium. Orthodoxy won't accept that, Jo.


7,136 posted on 05/24/2006 8:12:20 PM PDT by Kolokotronis (Christ is Risen, and you, o death, are annihilated!)
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To: Kolokotronis; Agrarian
But indeed it has, for a couple of thousand years in the East. What you seem to posit is a systematic theology which requires a submission, even of the Fathers, to the Magisterium. Orthodoxy won't accept that, Jo.

The distinction between divine energies and divine essence is purely speculation based on the experience of monks saying the Jesus Prayer. It is a totally absent concept in the West, even before the Schism. Even in the East, there was much controversy over it until St. Palamas and the Council of Constantinople defined it for the East. I fail to see how your particular distinction brings the Latin means of identifying God (as one essesnce) into total error and makes the sacramental system magic.

"Uncreated energies" sounds too much a return to Greek Gnosticism and different levels of dieties for my taste. God is One, there isn't anything else besides God. Uncreated energies sound too much like "godlets". Being that this is based on experience rather than Apostolic Tradition, I am skeptical about the whole matter. If you feel this brings you closer to Christ, more power to you.

Regards

7,150 posted on 05/25/2006 5:20:05 AM PDT by jo kus (For love is of God; and everyone that loves is born of God, and knows God. 1Jn 4:7)
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